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Pelosi: Bishop Has Tried To Change My Mind

In an interview with Newsweek's Eleanor Clift, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi criticized the Church for its position on abortion and gays rights and stated that her Bishop has "tried to change my mind"

Pelosi responds to questions about abortion in the health-care bill and her insistence that the original pre-Stupak bill did not fund abortion and says of the Bishops "they are not willing to accept facts."

It was reported that you were negotiating with the conference of bishops.

I talked to one of the cardinals. I said to him that I believe that what we are doing honors the principles we talked about: we want to pass a health-care bill, we want it to be abortion neutral, and we want it to [have] no federal funding [for abortion], which is the law. And we believe that our language does that. They said, "We believe that it does not." I said, let's sit down at the table and our lawyers can compare language. That's what the meeting was about—to make our case. Clearly, the people at that table were not willing to accept what we know to be a fact.
Pelosi goes on to criticize the Church for its position on abortion and gay marriage while still claiming to be a "practicing" Catholic
I think you have had some brushes with [church] hierarchy.

I have some concerns about the church's position respecting a woman's right to choose. I have some concerns about the church's position on gay rights. I am a practicing Catholic, although they're probably not too happy about that. But it is my faith. I practically mourn this difference of opinion because I feel what I was raised to believe is consistent with what I profess, and that is that we are all endowed with a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions. And that women should have that opportunity to exercise their free will.
And finally admits that her Bishop has tried to change her mind on the subject, but she is not listening.
Is it difficult for you to reconcile your faith with the role you have in public life?

You know, I had five children in six years. The day I brought my fifth baby home, that week my daughter turned 6. So I appreciate and value all that they want to talk about in terms of family and the rest. When I speak to my archbishop in San Francisco and his role is to try to change my mind on the subject, well then he is exercising his pastoral duty to me as one of his flock. When they call me on the phone here to talk about, or come to see me about an issue, that's a different story. Then they are advocates, and I am a public official, and I have a different responsibility.
What we know is that Nancy Pelosi continues to publicly represent herself as a faithful and practicing Catholic while continuing to to publicly oppose the Church on grave moral matters. We also know that her Bishop has apparently contacted her privately to try and change her mind, to which she has responded publicly by saying she will not be swayed. This is a text-book definition of scandal and should, at this point, be dealt with in a direct and public way lest no one else think that you can hold these positions and consider yourself a "practicing" Catholic.

ht to Newsbusters for the interview.

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90 comments:

P. Button said...

The arrogance of that woman knows no bounds. She needs our prayers.

Brian Walden said...

"But it is my faith."

Too many people I have this conception of faith as a strictly personal thing which shouldn't be swayed by any outside influences. I don't even think they do so maliciously, it's just an idea that's prevalent in our culture - a mixture of American individualism and our nation's Protestant roots - that people pick up without even questioning it's validity.

I think in reality the opposite is true, my faith and your faith should change over time - hopefully aligning itself more closely and more vigorously to the Faith as we educate ourselves in truth and charity.

Jonathan said...

"I practically mourn this difference of opinion because I feel what I was raised to believe is consistent with what I profess..."
I don't doubt that this is a true statement, however it's unfortunate that what she professes is not consistent with the Catholic faith.

Rick said...
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Maurisa said...

"And that women should have that opportunity to exercise their free will."

This is the statement that stuck out for me. Whether abortion is funded in with tax payer dollars or not, women are not robbed of their "free will". Funny she is not concerned with the "free will" of those who would be forced to pay for abortion if the health-care bill is made the law of the land.

The woman is so completely disingenuous.

Anonymous said...

All of your comments are just too polite and "politically correct". Given this woman's rigid mentality and public position, she needs to be excommunicated. One cannot served "two masters"! Either you're for or against the Church's teachings!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what a Quaker meeting would do to a member if said member publically was for most or all wars and/or served in the military (at least shot a gun in defense)? Kick out? Denounce? Ask to leave? Shun?

gbm3

Anonymous said...

What is clear is that Pelosi's faith is not the faith of the Catholic Church, as her faith includes the belief that people can kill others who frighten or inconvenience them.

Her decision to reject the faith of the Catholic Church is a decision to excommunicate herself from the Catholic Church. Her practice of continuing to claim "faithfulness" while "going through the motions" of being a Catholic in communion with the Church is sadly little more than personal denial of the consequences of her own actions.

If we should be saddened by her continued act of pretending to be a "faithful Catholic", it is due to the fact that the person she is hurting the most is herself.

Chris

Rick said...

When the cardinals said, “We believe that it does not.” She should respond with, “How so?” instead of my lawyers will beat your lawyers in a debate to prove that I am right.

Pelosi: "I have some concerns about the church's position respecting a woman's right to choose. I have some concerns about the church's position on gay rights. I am a practicing Catholic, although they're probably not too happy about that. "

In other words, she cannot accept the Church’s teaching and guidance on these subjects. A practicing Catholic is someone who abides by the teachings of the Church. Her proclamation is for the interview to give an erroneous perception that one can be a practicing Catholic and reject the Church’s stances.

Pelosi: "But it is my faith. "
It may be her faith, but it is not the faith of the followers of Jesus. She must have started her own church that we were unaware of.

Pelosi: " I practically mourn this difference of opinion because I feel what I was raised to believe is consistent with what I profess"

The differences are between her opinion and the objective truth presented by the official teachers which is not an opinion. She needs to seek the truth instead of mourning her divergence from it. And whatever she was raised to believe is being corrected by the bishop, so why is she reluctant to relinquish those errors?

Pelosi:"…what I profess, and that is that we are all endowed with a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions."

The fact that we are endowed with a free will and responsibility to answer for our actions does not affirm that it is correct, moral and good to abort one’s child. Free will is not a license to kill. It is an opportunity to do the right thing without coercion.

Pelosi: "And that women should have that opportunity to exercise their free will."

She means that women should be able to choose abortion legally. Should rapists be able to rape legally as an exercise of their free will?

Pelosi: "When I speak to my archbishop in San Francisco and his role is to try to change my mind on the subject, well then he is exercising his pastoral duty to me as one of his flock."

So, it is OK for her to call on the bishop for spiritual direction when she wants it but, it is not OK for the bishop to call on her to keep her on the right path and to protect the Church. Does she think that the shepherds of the Church are her therapists and she is their boss?

Pelosi: "When they call me on the phone here to talk about, or come to see me about an issue, that's a different story. Then they are advocates, and I am a public official, and I have a different responsibility."

Her responsibility is to follow Jesus faithfully in her position as a public official. It is to reject sin and the world and to live as a child of God. That is why it is challenging to be a public official who accommodates everyone; because, some positions are mutually exclusive.

Anonymous said...

While I am not a canon lawyer, I note that "a person who procures a complete abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication."

This type of excommunication is incurred as soon as the offense is committed & by reason of the offense itself, without the intervention of any ecclesiastical judge.

As such Pelosi has likely already excommunicated herself.

An explicit press release is not required, & her attempt to deny this fact does not change it.

Chris

pfinley said...

As I often refer to her, "Pope Pelosi".

The woman has argued with the supreme pontiff, and basically told him that Augustine, of all people, supports her beliefs.

You really think she cares about her bishop? She thinks she knows more then one of the greatest theological minds of our time (NO offense to her Bishop of course, but Papa Ben is ACE when it comes to such things). Why should she care what anyone thinks

Its arrogance as stated before. Sounds Vaguely familiar to a certain former angel "Non Servitid"

Early Riser said...

So, she went from "ardent" to "practicing". Well, practice makes perfect, but I doubt she is even going through the motions.

PFinley - hey, "offend" her bishop all you want. He is a limp fish and will do nothing about it. He is himself part of the SF elite and would never do anything to upset his constituents; Pelosi being number one among them. What I found amuzing was her statement "When I speak to my archbishop in San Francisco..." This statement can be taken as a hypothetical or something that takes place regularly. But according to the Archbishop, he has never had the chance to sit down and speak with her on these issues, since they are both really really busy, you see.

Sarah - Kala said...
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pfinley said...

Well you are right on that regard Early Riser. Some of these bishops discuss things till they are blue in the face

Burke, my former archbishop, though not popular, took care of business when it needed to be

Sarah - Kala said...

I can't argue with folks who are so stubborn and prideful that their heads are firmly planted where the sun don't shine, Mrs. Pelosi! Geesh. My free will is being invaded by those who impose laws that force me to pay for another woman's so called choice. Washington needs to be cleaned up and out!

Heather said...

As an American, a Californian, a woman and a Catholic, I am completely disappointed with Ms. Pelosi's words and actions. She doesn't seem to see, hear, nor care about her constituency or her fellow Catholics. I admire the restraint shown by some of the other commenters as I applaud the passion (& vitriol) displayed by others.
What can we do? Pray -and vote.

Wm said...

QUESTION: Can we Catholics get to Heaven without Sanctifying Grace? Only the Church can dispense Sanctifying Grace. If we cut ourselves off from the Church and the Sacraments through excommunication, can we still get into Heaven? If not, that must mean there is a Hell and that some of us are going there.

Early Riser said...

Pfinley - exactly. Niederauer isn't saying or doing anything because he doesn't want to. His previous actions suggest he most likely agrees with Pelosi.

Heather - I hear you there. Are you considering Carley? We were, but she is being intentionally evasive on the issue of abortion.

pfinley said...

I refuse to talk to a politician if he skirts the issue, more so then one who is defiantly pro choice. Atleast the defiant one I know where they stand. But perhaps that is the quintesential "Two faced" politician

Paul-Joseph said...

Since the 1st century, Christians have always had to choose between the law of Christ and the law of Caesar. Regardless of what provisions a secular political body passes into law, if we pay for abortion, we have chosen to worship the Beast. In the Roman Empire it was a pinch of incense and the words, "Caesar is Lord." that the state required. In the modern empire it may well be the paying of taxes that support abortion. In the early centuries of Christianity it was the lions in the Colosseum; in the 21st Century federal prison may be the price of following Christ.

Thomas said...

Shouldn't she be formally excommunicated for these statements? (It seems as though she is being obstinate.) Preferably in the style of St. Thomas Beckett, who we commemorate today, as depicted in the movie. That scene leaves no doubt!

Anonymous said...

No need, Thomas.

As I mentioned earlier, Pelosi appears to have placed herself under "latae sententiae" excommunication, which is imposed by canon law for certain actions. No public pronouncement is necessary.

That she attempts to deny this excommunication whe has brought on herself by public protestations of "having faith", or acting "as if" she were a Catholic in communion with the Church doesn't change anything.

Questions of "why isn't she being publicly excommunicated?" may actually increase her belief that she isn't under excommunication, and that her denials are sufficient to keep her in "good standing" with the Catholic Church.

As hard as it may be, all that can really be done for her is prayer that whe will come to realize that she needs to humble herself, & realize her error in rejecting the authority & faith of the Church.

Chris

Antonio said...

She says she is "a practicing Catholic", but she doesn't really understands what that means. It also means being a disciple of Jesus Christ, although there are alot of practicing Catholics who are not converted into becoming a follower of our Lord, we see that in our pews. If she is a practicing Catholic she would love God with ALL her being and love his written Word, which is Christ the Word became flesh, and his word says "children are a gift of the LORD" Psalm 127, also "I knew you before I formed you in your mother's womb" Jeremiah 1:5. Scientists said that from the moment of conception there is a person with his/her own DNA, a Zygote.
She should pay close attention and contemplate on this scripture "The Son of man will send his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of falling and all who do evil, and throw them into the blazing furnace" Matthew 13:41-42. She could become a cause of falling. We are called by Christ to be a light unto the world of darkness to minister to people to let them know that our free will is not to do what we want, but to do the will of the Father, who loves us Eternally.

Anonymous said...

There are only (2) solutions to Cafeteria Catholic politicians, and non Catholic politicians that live in the SUBJECTIVE - (which ever the way the wind blows kind of thinking), instead of being transformed (through surrender and trust in Jesus) in the OBJECTIVE norms of truth and that is to pray for their conversion or vote them out. Voting them out will be a lot easier, while you also pray for their conversion.

Mark
Birmingham AL.

Anonymous said...

Ms. Palosi will NEVER understand the meaning of ABORTION. She's never witness one or even seen one on video so it's not a big deal to her.

Herods mandate still lives today "KILL ALL THE BABIES"

Steven P. Cornett said...

Re; Anonymous,

Ms. Pelosi doesn't give a rat's behind about anyone but herself, born or pre-born.

Aside of which, since she has now been brought before the Church and will not listen, does that officially a tax collector (as well as a tax-robber)?

Stu said...

Anon said...Given this woman's rigid mentality and public position, she needs to be excommunicated.

Indeed.

Anonymous said...

Nancy Pelosi needs to be excommunicated!!!! She is anticatholic...

tolo said...

She belives in a lie,There is no middle ground.Ethier you are for God or for Satan.

Being Catholic,she believes in spiritual matters.
Her so called free choice in none other than following what the God of this world lays down in her path.
The freedom of choice which she is dearly promoting is no more than a freedom to sin some more.Until she comes to God,She won't be free
of this slavery to The God of this world.
Unless she is more powerful than Satan.
Pelosi,between Evil and Good your vote don't count.There is no third party who could save you
across the veil?

blessed said...

During our lifetime, the damage inflicted by those who misrepresent the Catholic faith will cause irreparable suffering on many innocent. The Blessed Virgin Mary in her Magnificat summarizes best the justice of God [through Christ] who prayed "He hath put down the mighty from their seat,and hath exalted the humble." Woe to those who preach error and deceive the nations for when they fall, their fall will be great. Sadly for us faithful Catholic we must endure the embarrassment of Pelosi who disgraces not only Catholic also all children and mothers who love the creation of God through mankind. Pelosi's brand of so called "faith" is putrid to the smell and disgusting to the eyes. Whatever beauty she once owned is now grown rotted and shriveled.

Anonymous said...

I would like to pose this to Nancy:

So let's say Hitler was a Catholic. Killing Jews is against Catholic teaching, but hey - it's his faith.

Anonymous said...

Did Jesus agree with the government of the Romans? No,but He knew that He must obey the teachings of His faith even unto death. So Should Ms. Pelosi exercise her own discretion on matters governmental, or forgo her own opionions to defer to those who teach the faith? Is she Catholic or is she simply and perhaps less importantly Speaker of the House?

Anonymous said...

Pelosi is a cheap "dimestore" Catholic.

Anonymous said...

The harm done by this dreadful sin is going to be passed down to her children for four hundred generations. Ms. Pelosi is this what you want for your family, pain and heartache for the next four hundred generations. God will forgive you if you ask, but you must do it publicly. Since politicians speak out in public so must they ask for forgiveness in public.

Anonymous said...

Simply, she is not a practicing Catholic. She is a CINO - Catholic in name only - which means she really stands for nothing. She is drunk on her power, given to her by a secular, now pagan, world. Congratulations!

She breaths with one breath that she is a "practicing Catholic" - that is, up until she begins the use of her powerful secular influence that is responsible for enlarging the massive slaughter of innocent creation. She has been counseled by Catholic representatives admittedly, so now she must stand, with all of that evidence, before the Divine Judge, the Creator of all of the life so easily dispensed with by just such powers as herself, life intended for His Divine Will, and for the world.

She is nothing more than the easily duped of today's pagan world; another arrogant narcissist who wishes to take the place of God Himself in the lives of the vulnerable. That old saying, "having your cake and eating it too", is always outside of the realm of reality and truth!

Anonymous said...

Dear Fellow Americans,
It is written that those Catholics, indeed all God's human creation, that follow their own "road in life/will" end up in "perdition/hell"....repent, Madame Speaker!
We need to pray for Mrs. Pelosi!
lja/JMJ

Anonymous said...

A woman's right to choose is the right to choose not to become pregnant at the wrong time, with the wrong man, in a manner in which she cannot care for the child she is bringing into the world. This is the 'right to choose'. Not the right to have irresponsible sex and then 'fix' it with an abortion.

Jerry said...

When are we going to refer to it as it is, "The freedom of choice to kill their baby!"

jayeverett said...

I love the way everyone tries to explain faith and religeous rules. If the Lady wants to do other than her faith allows then she needs to join another faith. I would list some but I could find none that would accept her beliefs. You see the rules of faith are that you believe what you are taught and not what you think it should be. The Catholic Church is not a Democracy!!!!!!!!

Ben said...

"Progress should mean that we are always changing the world to fit the vision, instead we are always changing the vision." - Chesterton- Orthodoxy, 1908.
Pelosi is doing what the left does, destroy the values of society or the dogma of our faith by pretending they are optional.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion, Pelosi is becoming more and more arrogant and, in this instance, she has publicly challenged the Bishops...will they now have the courage to obey Canon Law and tell her that she has excommunicated herself and should not present herself to receive communion? We shall see!

Anonymous said...

Speaker pelosi's position regarding her relationship with the Church reminds me of many discussions which I have had with me teenage children. With young people, their feeling are much more important than facts and truth. The "free will" which SP talks about, are just opinion or more biblicly speaking folly. Basicly, she is saying that her feelings trump the Magesterium and 2000 years of Church teaching. What she does is bring great scandal upon the Church by her obstinence and disobedience.

Anonymous said...

If we kill our young off, do we not kill our Nation off? Are our hearts so harden that we cannot see that what we do to the weakest American we in turn lose more than we can every imagine.
I am saddend by this thought.

An American

John 6:54 said...

It would be nice to know what the Bishops are waiting for. If your Pelosi causes you to sin, CUT IT OFF!

Laura said...

Why in the world does she want to be part of a Religion that she disagrees with? Most people will follow "their "beliefs....
There are plenty of other religions that espouse her views. Why does she thinks she is right and the Catholic church, which has held these beliefs for over two thousand years, is wrong?
Strange lady...who should realize she is following the things of the world, and NOT the things of God...Does she truly hear the gospel message when she "practices her faith"?
Anonymous

Anonymous said...

The Speaker is correct in saying the Health Care Bill does not provide or allow federal funds for abortion. You should look at the language of that part of the bill. The bishops wanted her and the bill to do more to restrict abortion, which would have meant that the bill would not pass, and the improvement in our health care provision for many millions would be, once again, killed. I hope that I am not being a bad Catholic by hoping that the bill will pass. Are there still Catholic Democrats in communion with the Church?
I believe Speaker Pelosi prays for the end of abortion. I can conceive of her agony of reconciling a moral position against abortion, ending a human life, with her unwillingness to pass laws that place constraints on an individual's choices regarding his own body, distorting the dignity of a human life.
Too many responders seem to shout "excommunication!" This is consistent with Republicans who want to demonize the speaker for political purposes, just as one congressional leader suggested defeating the bill will return the power to the Republican Party by defeating Obama. Here we have Pro-Life turned into hate.
Ray Davis

Anonymous said...

I HAVE READ EACH COMMENT WITH A SHIMMERING OF HOPE FOR OUR NATION AND GOD'S DESIGN ON US.WE HAVEN'T COMPLETELY FAILED GOD, YET. AFTER READING THE COMMENTS, I SAID TO MYSELF "GOD, THERE IS STILL HOPE THAT WE CAN TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY AND OUR FAITH OR DIE TRYING. SHOW US THE WAY" WE NEED A "BISHOP LEADER" ONE WHO IS NOT AFRAID AND HAVE THE GOD'S PEOPLE STAND BEHIND HIM ACROSS THE NATION. I'M READY, ARE YOU?

Anonymous said...

She definitely needs our prayers. Obedience is a blessed virtue. We are known by the fruits of our endeavors....I would not want to have an endless list of abortions listed as a fruit of my endeavor...not at all. I really think that I would be trying to serve the people in the most affordable righteous way...respecting life and the need to operate realistically within our means...otherwise, it will be to no avail and very misleading to the people being served. Very simple age old wisdom is being repeatedly ignored....The Golden Rule..."Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." The elitist have forgotten this one. "What goes around comes around" because of the Golden Rule....there is no getting around it...unless one prays for forgiveness to a merciful and loving God Father...penance sometimes follows. Love your neighbor as thyself....if one wishes far less for the American People than one does for an elitist group of people ...then one has strayed from the true gospel and that is just the way it is.

anthonypadua said...

A lot of people lose their souls for all eternity by exercising their "free wills." I thought we were supposed to unite our wills with God's, Nancy.

Poor thing! What a pity to have received your Catholic catechesis at K-Mart.

Anonymous said...

The Ten Commandments are not according to Nancy Pelosi but are according to God. Thou Shall not Kill ... there are no ifs, ands or buts in this statement. Free Will applies to whether you follow God's rules or not. Praying for you Nancy so God opens your heart to the truth. God bless.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous
Ray Davis said "The Speaker is correct in saying the Health Care Bill does not provide or allow federal funds for abortion. You should look at the language of that part of the bill. The bishops wanted her and the bill to do more to restrict abortion, which would have meant that the bill would not pass, and the improvement in our health care provision for many millions would be, once again, killed. I hope that I am not being a bad Catholic by hoping that the bill will pass. Are there still Catholic Democrats in communion with the Church?
I believe Speaker Pelosi prays for the end of abortion. I can conceive of her agony of reconciling a moral position against abortion, ending a human life, with her unwillingness to pass laws that place constraints on an individual's choices regarding his own body, distorting the dignity of a human life.
Too many responders seem to shout "excommunication!" This is consistent with Republicans who want to demonize the speaker for political purposes, just as one congressional leader suggested defeating the bill will return the power to the Republican Party by defeating Obama. Here we have Pro-Life turned into hate."

You need therapy Ray!!

Anonymous said...

I wish somene would send her these comments so that she would know that we are praying for her to do the right thing and all the other Congressional leaders, so that America can continue to be blessed...."God shed His grace on thee...and crown thy good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea" There is still time. Keep America beautiful! Keep the blessings coming! I believe that this is really what the majority of the people want!

Anonymous said...

Harry Reid was praying, and if you remember, he said "no" until he brought it down to his own rationale...I don't think that it was a laughing matter...but one that he should truly consider. Let us all keep praying.

Anonymous said...

Typical arrogant "cafe catholic". You pick out what, when and where you want out of the Catholic Faith and ignore the rest. Go to the Episcopal Church where you belong maybe you can reconcile your beliefs there.
Noel

man from uncle said...

This woman should be dealt with publicly by her Bishop. If the Archbishop of San Francisco is not reprimanding her publicly (withholding the Sacraments) he stting a HUGE BAD EXAMPLE for all of us! Let us pray to the Father for him and for Pelosi!

P. Button said...

I have wondered why the Church does not excommunicate public dissenters like Pelosi, or at least refuse them communion. One theory I've heard is that the Bishops are trying to win back public approval of the Church after the priest abuse scandals. Sounds like a lame reason to me but I have yet to hear a more likely theory.

Anonymous said...

One theory I have read is that there will come a time when there will only be a remnant flock within the church that is pure. Of course, that includes all those that fall under the umbrella of the universal catholic church...those baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit...not just those in full communion with the church....so I have read and theorized...it is this flock that is protected during the time of the tribulation...so I have gathered...best to stay close to Jesus and Holy Mother Church anyway at all times...if you ask me...there is a treasure trove of grace and protection in Holy Mother Church. I wish our Congressional leaders would understand this while making our laws...they need to be in harmony with God's Law.

Anonymous said...

Pelosi has been given a period of years to come to her senses. When will the Bishops do what the church canon law says and excommunicate her publicly for continuing to behave in such a way that goes against the teachings of the Catholic Church. Everytime she receives the Holy Eucharist, she commits a grave sacrilege. Her church is her own opinion and nothing more. Time to do your job, Bishops! Enough is enough.

Anonymous said...

Well, if Pelosi tithes, her Bishop may be reluctant to lose what must be a substantial amount of income to the Church coffers. His failure to excommunicate her certainly looks suspicious.

Anonymous said...

Piglosi is no Catholic. She is an arrogant witch who thinks that man's or woman's free will is bigger than God's Laws, which, of course, she will answer for when her time comes to answer to God. Her arrogance is much like obummer's and rotten reids and barney freak's--all lousy human beings who suffer from a high degree of narcissism.

Anonymous said...

I am continually astonished by what flies(insects)out of Madame Pelosi mouth. She, an elected offiial of a secularly "created" state, whose free will trumps that of the authority of the Holy Catholic Church and a Bishop? Just where have I been since Vatican II. Oh!...In my native home state of...CALIFORNIA!!!!!!...and...where...we...are...in ...TROUBLE!!!in every,way,shape and evil form!!!

Rev. Neil Buchlein said...

I find her response extremely shallow when it comes to stating that she is Catholic. No she is not. You either follow what the Church teaches or you don't. Can you miss team practice or marching band practice and expect to play or march on at a given event? So many of these politicians think that they have the answers when it comes to faith and morals. It is really ashame that they can speak so bluntly about things they don't know. They don't even know what kind of Bill(s) they are voting on since they don't have the time or the interest to read them. They don't serve the public but themselves.

Anonymous said...

Well, "Anonymous" at 5:27 PM, if you are serious you are best characterized by a slang American term which means "rectum!" If Pelosi tithes....You are obviously an anti-Catholic protestant bigot. Is it evangelical, fundamentalist,pentacostal, or another of the 33,000 sects in the U.S. alone? Your kind of heretical moron always comes out of the dry-rotted woodwork with these kinds of articles. Go listen to "pastor" Billy Bob Brown, or is it Jimmy Jack Jones?????

Anonymous said...

Please, Nan...I'm begging...subordinate your free reigning, free wheeling will out here in California!!!Don't think we can take much more of your "FREE WILL"!!!...Lemme give you a li'l bit of advice...Nan...Maybe you and your influential, high flying, elitist and academic friends(OBAMA)...should start "LISTENING" to your "HIGHER POWER(GOD)" and your local Bishop,...Nan...and PLEASE...stop treating us uneducated, true believers, as some kind of sheep or pathetic ignorant morons......just a li'l bit advice...from someone who does care and does have the hope given by Heaven.

Anonymous said...

I think that she was merely saying that this would be wrong, also. You are being too harsh, don't you think?

Anonymous said...

Pelosi's "Faith" is that of Aleister Crowley: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law".

Early Riser said...

Anon @ 6:15 I believe Morbots use the word "tithe" as well. Eh. A heretic is a heretic.

Anonymous said...

To Anon, 7:11...No...It is not harsh at all. It would be uncharitable for me to allow her to continue in her "GROSS AND MISGUIDED ERRORS!!! As a native S.D. Californian, "I HAVE SEEN ALL THE EVIL DRAMA IN THIS STATE!!!...WERE HEADED FOR A MELTDOWN ON "EVERY LEVEL", anarchy maybe not far ahead. I'm not a doom sayer, but when you have vices accepted not only as common place but actually considered as "NORMAL" by her and promoted as such, "YES" I say there is a problem!...just a note...Me, my family and extensive network of friends are concerned, but not worried. We pray, go to daily mass as possible, but mainly stay focused on the goal, the prize,...to get to the eventual hypostatic union with the Eternal Wisdom, known to us as the "ETERNAL WORD". Heaven is going to win and I hope to be there along with everyone else,...even Nan, possibly kicking and screeching all the way!!!!!!Boy...is she materialistic and secular. I wonder what she would do if she had nothing not even her supposed "good name". I think she is so insulated from the rest of us that she has "NO SENSE" of herself. As for us, the running joke among us is that we will be ready and able to raise chickens, goats and sheep "WHEN" the times come...Nan, you have a place with us, right there warm and loved by our campfire not far from Our Lady's visage...SALVE REGINA!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I would like to know just what she is going to say to Our Lord Jesus when she is judged

Marianne Turbes said...

Kind of scary that such an intelligent person can fall so easily into Satan's clutches. "Come here little girl, eat of this apple." She conveniently states "eat it, it's just an apple" totally ignoring all that she has been taught about eating that darn apple! Stunning! Let's face it, she just wants to eat the apple and can justify it, or anything for that reason. The scary thing is, she thinks she makes sense and has convinced many other innocent Catholics to go down the same sink hole. Encouraging them to also think "there is no harm in eating the simple little red apple." IF you catch my drift ... Scares me she wants to call herself a Catholic!

Not supporting abortion in any way, shape, or form is such a simplistic, bare bones issue. It doesn't matter whether she is at home or in public office. That is what her faith is supposed to do, make her an upstanding person in the public spectrum! You don't sing one tune at home and another in your position. That, my dear friends, we call "double standards," or in her case "double talk?" You protect those baby humans! At home, at work, in your car, at the beach. Doesn't matter where we are or what we are doing darn it!

Anonymous said...

"When they call me on the phone here to talk about, or come to see me about an issue, that's a different story. Then they are advocates, and I am a public official, and I have a different responsibility." Does she have two lives as well? How can a person do this? Amazing!

Anonymous said...

"...we are all endowed with a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions. And that women should have that opportunity to exercise their free will."

Okay great! I am a woman. I have a free will. I want to steal, cheat, lie, and abort my baby. I have that right! Alleluia! Oh wait, if I steal or lie, that is wrong, cheat-wrong, murder the baby human inside me? Ding-ding-ding, that one is a winner and okay says a "practicing Catholic," -Nancy Pelosi.

Boy, thanks for 'clarifying' that for me Ms. Pelosi! Some ingenious woman you are. Where did you go to college anyway? And you had 6 babies and don't think that had you killed one of them in your womb that would have been wrong, but simply your free will? It scares me to believe people like you are in power Ms. Pelosi. The more you talk the more scared I get of what you and OB are cooking up for us.

Hopefully you are just invincibly ignorant, but considering your age and your Bishop calling you, you are in for a surprise at those pearly gates. But, will keep you in our daily Rosary still. We must pray for those leaders of our country to be enlightened.

patrick said...

in order to change your mind, you have to have one. Pelois doesn't have one. also you can not fix stupid. which she is. And legislators or anyone else that doesnot agree with the teaching of the Church, should find a church that adhears to their beliefs. To be Christian you must believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ. Pelois is not a Christian if she is for abortion.
Remember Abortion stops a beating heart.

Anonymous said...

This woman needs alot of prayer and a major conversion. She really knows little or nothing of the teachings of the Catholic Church. My guess is that her spiritual life and prayer life is a sham as well. There is no way that someone who is humbly, prayerfully seeking the will of the Lord and understanding of what his will is would remain ignorant. Let us pray for Nancy and those responsible for her poor Catholic education.

BB said...

Pelosi: "what I was raised to believe is consistent with what I profess, and that is that we are all endowed with a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions."
Pelosi does not understand the concept of "free will" as taught by the Catholic Church. Free will does not mean we can do as we please. Free will means we can either choose God or choose evil. That is the only freedom we have in terms of our will. The moral choices we make are either in accord with God's will as it is revealed through the Bible and the Church, or not. The consequences of evil choices follow naturally. Her Catholicism is not Catholicism at all; it is moral relativism and very New Age. Her identifying herself as Catholic needs to be publicly denounced by the Bishops lest others be led astray by her.

Ken said...
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Ken said...

For the Roman Catholics out there, start saying a Rosary that she will change here ways. For the Christens pray the same. Complaining will not accomplish anything, but Prayer will move mountains.

Anonymous said...

It is the devil who likes to divide and confuse. That is exactly what Pelosi is able to do since she is a public figure who can voice her views. Many will be confused with her being able to be pro-choice and state she of the Catholic faith which has completely opposing views.
She needs prayer and the church needs to take a stand and let those who believe they can have it both ways are commiting a grave sin.

Anonymous said...

pray before the blessed eucharist every chance you get for nancy pelosi and there is a good chance she will change.our lord always hears are prayers never give up hope. God bless

Anonymous said...

When the Church takes a STAND Then the people will come back.

Anonymous said...

Nancy Pelosi is a sad case of why our government doesn't work and doesn't hear the people. Pelosi is adamant that she is right and everyone else is wrong. You can't be Catholic and support abortion and gay marriage, the two are incompatible. the only answer is to pray that she and her cohorts will be enlightened and see the error of their ways.

Anonymous said...

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1496/Pelosi-enjoys-privacy-at-Hualalai-after-Palin-is-hounded-off-Maui.aspx Did anyone see this?

Anonymous said...

Nancy, the Free Will, also includes your free will. If you profess to live by the Church's teachings, you cannot seperate your desires to follow Church teaching and those you represent. You are choosing to live by 2 masters. How conflicted you must be. You will never be able to reconcile these 2 masters. After all is said and done, YOU will be facing Christ all by youraelf!!! You will not have your constituents to use as a rationale before the Savior. Don't you see, your are trying to live for 2 masters. Free will is about each individual. Do you think Christ will take that into consideration that you are trying to be a law maker only based on what your constituents want?? Do you really think God cares what your attempts are if you oppoese His Will?? A mother of 5?? So what, I know women who are mothers of 10 or more...AND I Promise, none of them think the way you are trying to think...They look at the big picture...How does God see you, not how you think God sees you.. Nancy, Ipray and hope God will allow you to see the big picture...before you say anything, ask Jesus what he wants from you...Please, dear sister in Christ, go back to the basics of our faith, not what is popular now...Becky

Anonymous said...

Praise Almighty God in Heaven!!!For those who also generously responded with indignance to Nan's interview with Eleanor Clift about her "views". I"m particular about her critical "analysis" and flat out defiance of the Holy Catholic Church and her own local Bishop, as well as her unseemly and untimely view of abortion. To Eleanor Clift of all people! I thought she was dead already! and to "NEWSWEAK" of all periodicals. Where's the shame? Scandalous that Nan can hold up her self promoting, self centered, self absorbed, culture and media elitist "CENSURE" to not only the rest of us uneduated, ignorant, rosary praying, novena saying, pro-life crusading, social volunteering, poor feeding, alms giving, and devout following, Thomas A Kempis reading masses ,...but to Holy Church itself!!! Just where am I?, Dear Nan. I would not purpously live in a world made in your image and likeness!!!As a matter of fact I don't want anything that will keep me from Heaven!...come...to think of it...someone else said "I will not obey"!!!!!Dear Nan,...just a li"l bit of advice...try to find our beloved Jesus in everyone you see or don't see(unborn) and you won't be so sorely put out by your local Bishop and so tempted to sin!!!Conversion of heart and humility need not be so difficult or painful!...but in your case it may be...You may have to give up the Vineyard(is it worth 5 mil or 20 mil? just curious), the jetsetting around the country on the public dime, especially with that very expensive jet(with entourage), stop advocating for abortion and calling it empathy and compassion(FOR WHO?), by the way...of which you "will" have to make a very PUBLIC renuncition and for all those other fatalistic, "high falutten" progressive airs and ideals that you love to gorge yourself on...watch out for those deadly sins, they'll get ya every time...but most of all Dear Nan, you "will" have to give up your underworldly copilot. He just might be the hardest of all...He, and his, "do" have a tendency to hold out and hold on but,... don't despair...After the wreck you have made of your life...turn to Mercy and don't wait too long...Li'l advice Nan,... don't hold out for the Justice it"ll be quite a risk taking at your age!!!

catholic2u said...

Nancy, free will means God has given us the right to choose to do good over evil. What is the worth of a decision of good if it is not your free will? That does not mean you can choose evil with no consequences. And make no mistake, abortion is EVIL!!!

Anonymous said...

True Catholics would never think the way Nancy does. It boggles my mind that she is 3rd in line for the presidency! I doubt that is a blessing of God but a wake up call to all of us. What a mess we're ine . Our only hope is in God, the real one, not Nancy's.

Louis Figueroa said...

Nancy has a cupalbly erroneous conscience. She has been has been corrected by her priest and bishop and still persists in her defective thinking. There comes a point where one must admit that it is no longer conscience guiding them as it is outright defiance and placing their own wants and needs upon the throne where God belongs. She has, in reality, subverted Catholic truth and replaced it with her own guided by the master of lies. At this point, she has shown herself to be nothing more than a heretic openly rejecting the teachings of the Church and accepting mammon for her master.

It is sad to say, but it may be time to let this one be excommunicated from there church, as she continues to bring scandal to our ranks and blatantly defies Holy Mother Church, despite having the extreme privelegde of having been guided by many within its ranks. She proclaims a non-serviam quite clearly and without obedience to Christ and His Church, you cannot be considered a Catholic, despite her paradoxical claims.

Supereader said...

I am a Catholic and I think you all dumb, God gave us all free will. Use it!!

Roy D. Sheehan said...

Supereader, God gave us a free will so that we would freely choose God's will instead of our own. God made this clear to Cain when he banished him from the Garden of Paradise.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Nancy,
Empty of Grace,
The Lord is disappointed with you.
Warped are you among women (and men),
And warped is your view of the Church, and God.
Oh, Nancy,
Satan’s helper,
Change your ways,
Now,
Or at least before the hour of your death.
Amen.

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