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Liturgesy: Closing Ceremonies 'Mass' in L.A.

Liturgesy: Heresy expressed in the form of Liturgy

Witness the closing ceremonies (aka liturgy) from Los Angeles Religious Education Congress 2010.



I kept expecting a giant Stonehenge to come down from the ceiling.

ht Rorate Caeli

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80 comments:

cathcandy said...

The very beginning felt like something out of Indiana Jones.

Anonymous said...

My WTF-meter reading is off the charts!

Anonymous said...

Hundreds of years before the dawn of history?

Maurisa said...

17 year old made it through the first 40 seconds before she said, "What? That looks occultish."

Nod said...

I can honestly say that before today, I have never seen "liturgical dance".

Now that I have, I can honestly say I hate it. That has no place in a Mass.

Anonymous said...

Finished watching. I just threw up in my mouth.

Anonymous said...

Let the puking begin..What kind of a Bishop takes part in this crap let alone permits it? The altar looks like a beat up pile of scrap wood from the landfill!
Lord, save your people.

Anonymous said...

No wonder there are so many TLM folks

Brian P. Craig said...
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Early Riser said...

I had to stop at the 33 second mark. May God grant Mahoney a quick and speedy retirement.

Anonymous said...

I teach my children not to put anything on top of their Bibles out of respect for God's Holy Word. To see the "deacon" dancing and twirling down the aisle with the Holy Gospels is very upsetting.

Anonymous said...

Pray for the New Bishop of Los Angeles. May he be holy and sanctified. May he be strong and correct these abominations. No wonder kids run from the Church as fast as they can, no wonder Catholics lose their faith and no longer practice it. No wonder we have what passes for Catholics in government who vote to pay for abortions.

Cheri said...

That was the most painful 9 minutes of my life. Leave it to LA to convert Mass to a Hollywood production. At first I could believe that the Catholic church actully willing participated in this "production". No wonder we have so many confused Catholics out there. Seeing this, they will think this kind of things are alright.

Subvet said...

Thinking that this only showed the first few minutes of a ceremony prior to the Mass itself, I began viewing the other 11 videos in this series.

Got halfway through #4 which concluded the Gospel reading. Sorry, my gorge started to rise.

While this was going on my kids were watching "Pinnochio" for the umpteenth time. They had the better part of the deal.

Anonymous said...

It is uncomfortable enough watching this, can't imagine having to participate in it. It is foreign to the sacred mystery which is the sacrifice of the mass-reverence does not appear in anything of this clip other than the kissing of the altar. Dance and clapping has it's place, but not at mass. The music was something you'd hear at a concert, but totally out of place for the liturgy of mass. This is so very wrong.

Angela C. said...

Well, I hate to admit it but that altar saw more incense than the one at my parish ever does. Because incense is reserved for funerals only, according to my pastor. Ugh.

Anonymous said...

Why is it that women dancing with pots of incense is *the* symbol of the "liberal" approach to liturgy?

elm said...

As the spouse of a deacon, if anyone asked me to parade in with my husband and simultaneously bow to the altar, I would tell them I have the wrong body parts. I did use this excuse at his ordination and it still works today,

elm said...

p.s. You'll notice they didn't let the ladies sit with their husbands. Hmmm, what the heck!

Kim Luisi said...

Wait! I can explain the incense thing! They were trying to parody The Office Wedding dance, which was a parody of a real wedding dance on youtube. Watch for yourself and tell me you don't see the similarities:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jqk5I236DQ

William said...

We are so bad at doing the namby-bamby Protestant thing. Why don't we get that? Ugh.

SarahL said...

I went to the LA-REC in 1999, and, sadly, the Mass at the Convention Center was the only Mass we could get to. It was painful enough then. It had dancing women in flowy dresses--with one even draping herself over the altar/table in some bizarre, semi-erotic (and wholly disturbing) dance routine. It didn't get much better as it went on ("liturgy"-wise, anyway). I remember thinking, "Hey, hey, there's a bishop down there. Why doesn't he make it stop?!?"

Guess they haven't improved since then (to put it mildly). I think they look upon this as as opportunity to sort of tell people, "This is what 'real' freedom of expression with the liturgy looks like. Watch, observe, and imitate us (so much for "real freedom")." I wonder how many people leave that "Mass," thanking God that their parish Masses aren't like that. Or how many of them are thinking, "That's it. I'm going back to the TLM." I didn't hear anyone say, "What? No bongo drums? No clowns? No purple dinosaur dancing the Limbo during the recessional?"

As far as I know, the consecration was still valid, so we could still receive Christ in Holy Communion, and we wanted to be there for Him, even in the midst of the performance-mania going on on the main floor. He was the only reason for showing up, but it was disgusting to see the crowds of prima donnas on the floor who spent almost the entire Mass competing with Him for attention.

Anonymous said...

Sad...

They didn't include "Jesus loves me, cha, cha, cha.

Anonymous said...

Look on the bright side, I didn't see anyone eating popcorn as they were being "entertained".
Susan

pakurilecz said...

unbelievable. next time someone ask why I prefer the Extraordinary Form of the Mass I'll just point them to this video

Bamff said...

The opening "hymn" reminds me of the beginning of an 80's sitcom.

The Church, in her wisdom, gives us directions on how mass is too be celebrated. Does the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, not have a copy? I would be happy to mail them one.

Also, that music, I am pretty sure, is not Gregorian Chant, the music that has pride of place in our Church.

Are the wives of Deacons allowed to process in like that?

And pretty darn sure the reason for girl are allowed to "serve" mass, is if and only if, young men are not available. You mean to tell me in that whole "gathering" there are not two boys to serve?

Pray hard people, pray hard for the second coming!

elm said...

Bamff said..Are the wives of Deacons allowed to process in like that?

In a word, NO

Geoffrey Miller said...

It seems to me they are doing some sort of black mass, i.e., mocking the celebration of a regular mass in an attempt to draw down evil spirits who are attracted to blasphemy.

With all the recent reports about sex abuse and cover-up scandals, it wouldn't surprise me if we were dealing with something majorly Satanic, maybe even reaching up to the Pope. Remember that report about those 200 blind boys being raped? Isn't there a certain demonic ritual that calls for the raping of a blind boy?

Am I just being paranoid or...?

Anonymous said...

There are faithful Catholics in Southern California, of course one wouldn't know it by the looks of this disgrace! I'm surprised the pro-healthcare bill "sisters" weren't honored, worst of all neither was Christ. I pray Los Angeles will finally have a strong new Bishop, he'll certainly have his work cut out for him. I thank our Lord everyday for living in OC because of the Norbertine Fathers at St Michael's Abbey!

-Lisa

RecoveringFeminist said...

Anybody up for some heavy duty fasting to atone for these blasphemies against Our Lord?

Dave Pawlak said...

1)What the heck are those Byzantine bishops doing there?

2) You'd think that seminarians would be helping out at a Mass like that. Not a single male server. All females.

3) Great praise song for a prayer meeting - best kept out of liturgy.

4) So getting people to sing in a South African language is OK, but a simple Latin chant is not?

Gretchen said...

The real scandal here is that Catholic school teachers and religious education directors see this spectacle, think it is explicitly permitted because the bishop of LA allows it, after all, and then they incorporate liturgical dance into to, you guessed it, celebrations of Mass for First Holy Communion (you know, that Mass where every child receiving Our Lord and Savior for the very first time needs a job to do at "their" Mass in order to make the Mass more meaningful ...you know, that very Mass where half of the children are readers and the other half are dancers). It's tough to charitably point out and help correct the liturgical abuses when these teachers have a bishop (albeit from another diocese) on their side. The ripple effect from this disgusting show of misplaced worship goes far and wide. I just wonder how many souls are at peril because of it. St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle...

Anonymous said...

The list of liturgical abuses are too numerous to list.

The commentator kept talking about "our" church, I will take that to mean that it is indeed their church and NOT the Christ's Church

John Hetman said...

Doesn't the proximity of the San Andreas fault line cause the fatuously irreverent numbskulls any concerns? Then again, this happens every year there and is spread like the plague to parishes around the country.

Anonymous said...

Isn't there someone at the Holy See we should e-mail this abomination to? =/

-Samuel

Peter said...

"I kept expecting a giant Stonehenge to come down from the ceiling"

I kept expecting to see a tiny stonehenge from "This is Spinal Tap" on the stage. Being a glam rock satire is about the only thing that would explain rational human beings participating in this.

Seriously, the soft shoe shuffle and spin with the book of the Gospel?

Kathy Catholic said...

Peter - lol!

Joseph Fromm said...

You have got to get the groove, dancing deacon!
Was that hip hop, trance or just deep house? I know, boogie whoogie!

Anonymous said...

How beautiful to see the varied cultures of our faith so graciously celebrated. Thank you Cardinal Mahoney for your leadership.

Elizabeth said...

Disgusting! Looking forward to going to Latin Mass tomorrow...I guess I needed a reminder of how blessed I am to have the opportunity!

Bad Catholic said...

At the outset, let me say that I prefer Gregorian Chant and something more traditional at mass. Although I don't think that the Tridentine Mass is neccessarily any more holy than the Novus Ordo. At the risk of being the closet liberal hanging out at this website, I would observe that the Bible says that King David danced before the Lord in loincloth and it pleased God. As a former member of a "charismatic" Episcopal Church, let me tell you, it could be A LOT WORSE.

Anonymous said...

Why do I feel like I just witnessed utter Satanic rebellion?

Anonymous said...

Oh my goodness, "Bad Catholic," let's not give them any ideas. Next year they may do their dancing in loincloths.

On a serious note, I don't think it says anywhere in the New Testament about anyone dancing before God in a loincloth during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. I think a lot of us would agree that would be distracting while trying to focus on Christ.

Marcy K. said...

Was this the opening to the Olympics or a Wiccan/earth worship ceremony? Is a deacon supposed to dance around with the Gospels and then stand there dancing like at a party. What is with the bishop etc. on the altar clapping like that? Where is Jesus on the cross? Isn't it supposed to be a crucifix? Since when do Deacon's wives process in? There were tons of deacons but few priests that I could see. Perhaps because there are no boys anywhere!

Boy, do they need that new bishop! God help Him whoever he turns out to be.

Anonymous said...

Oh God in heaven. I was reading the comments when the "gathering song" started playing. I heard the saxophone and was dumbstruck. A friend of mine remarked that it sounds like the intro music for SNL.

Honestly, what upsets me most is to see devoted people so mislead. It's a shame.

gls said...

Wow. Really. Deep breaths, everyone. Deep breaths.

Anonymous said...

The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is not about 'us'. It is not about celebrating our variety of cultures. It is not about us. It is about the worship of Almighty God.

torculus said...

I'm a convert to Catholicism. Raised in the United Church of Canada, and having spent a fair amount of time with friends throughout my teens and twenty-something years in Anglican, Pentecostal and Baptist circles, I can say with a fair amount of confidence that authentic Catholic worship is worship as God intended it to be. This video is repugnant for so many reasons, well attested to by others herein this blog, so I won't digress much except to ask: Why is it that Catholics trade a banquet with the King of Kings for a drive-by buffet of soul destroying pablum?

Fr. Erik Richtsteig said...

Dang it Peter, you beat me to it!

Wives of deacons are not ordained. Nor do they share in their husbands' ordination. A great many people in a great many places need to be reminded of this.

Anonymous said...

It is a horrible feeling to know that you see this stuff and you laugh and laugh and laugh because you are so embarrassed for the people who are doing it. Then you feel bad because you realize how they mock God and do this neo-pagan stuff at the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass. Then you see them dancing again and you are so embarrassed for them and by them that you laugh and laugh and laugh, then you feel even worse than when you felt bad the first time... I had to quit watching, much as I love to laugh it really is a near occassion of sin for me.

Anonymous said...

That first song, was that the 1960's saying 'sock it to me, sock it to me"? It sure sounded like it.

johnny b said...

Beautiful!


NOT.

Is this lifechurch or a Catholic mass?

Terentia said...

Pray for the new Bishop, yes, he will definitely need it. But don't expect too much improvement. As someone from the Saginaw diocese, I can tell you from experience, it will take years if not decades or maybe even generations, to root out the weeds which grow from the seeds of dissent. Especially when the dissent has been actively promoted by the Bishop.

KC said...

Oh, my. Oh, my. I'm just disgusted.

Paul said...

Appalling. Beyond appalling, actually.

And Terentia, I know what you mean about Saginaw. We used to live in that diocese.... Some of my students got into it with the local priest, because they wanted to kneel at the consecration, and he wouldn't let them. And there was much, much more....

Giovanni A. Cattaneo said...

Disgusting there are no words to describe this disgrace.

From beginning to end I thought I was watching some pagan ritual. The chair of the Bishop more visible than the the altar it self how disgraceful. I guess that would make sense, apparently the worship of man has a higher seat than the worship of God.

Anonymous said...

The most offensive thing I have seen all year.

Anonymous said...

"There are faithful Catholics in Southern California, of course one wouldn't know it by the looks of this disgrace!"
and
"Honestly, what upsets me most is to see devoted people so mislead. It's a shame"

As a product of this kind of liturgical environment, I can tell you that many of those people have no idea what they are missing.
Susan

Anonymous said...

Terentia, you are so right. It will take years/generations to root out the weeds... Pray that everyone has patience. Mahoney has been there a long time.

Anonymous said...

I love CMR, but as I watched these series of videos, I was reminded of a few things. 1. I am hispanic and a conservative who will soon joing the thousands of Conservative Catholic homeschooling families. 2. As a youth leader, a while ago, I found the Spirit alive in young people who worshipped in ways that others saw with disapproval. 3. Jesus would probably be more upset by the killing of innocent lives or behavior contrary to the Divine design, i.e. abortion and homosexuality,than by what these videos show. 4. Finally, a memory of my 3 yr old son getting out of from behind the pew to dance during any one of the hymns or songs during Mass at our parish. As an innocent soul, he let the worship songs move him.

I continued to read people's comments and wondered why there was so much concern about the technicalities of this clearly multicultural liturgy. You can't expect it to look and feel "white American". It was clearly intended to have a multicultural feel. It is foolish to think that people in the Third World can afford the 10K altars that our US parishes insist on having, with mortgages that some can hardly afford. Would God be less present if we used a tree trunk or "scrapyard metal" altar instead of a of rich mahogany one? Whatever happened to coming to the table of the Lord with pure and joyful hearts, living in accordance to the Scriptures, and the promise that he will welcome us and give us his eternal blessings? So what if, they used a larger amount of incense than we are used to, a bunch of Deacons' wives participated in the procession supporting their husband's ministry' and people danced in worship? Did anyone see the liturgical dancers offering their talent during Pope John Paul II's visit to Cuba a few years ago? None of it can possibly lead to eternal condemnation.

Yesterday, my now 7 year old son, participated in a Children' Stations of the Cross, at a very conservative parish (that I love!). When it was all done, he came over to me and said, "Mom that was awesome!" I considered his comment and, while my initial reaction was to find it strange, I decided that Jesus is awesome and that his sacrifice for us was just as awesome. I decided I was more than OK with this description. I kissed him and thank God for teaching me his love through my innocent 7 yr old. Not a bad lesson for the last Friday before Palm Sunday.

Anonymous said...

Mahony's liturgesy convention causes offense for only a brief part of the year. His andro-BVM at the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels potentially offends year round. See it in all him/her/it's glory here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Virgin_Mary_by_Robert_Graham.jpg

carina said...

Oh man. This worsened my already bad headache.

Anonymous @ 1:07AM, I don't think people expected it to be "White American", whatever that means, or expected there to be a 10K altar. I think they expected it to be the same as any normal mass they can attend anywhere in the world. The thing is this is so far out from a normal mass. It was really almost occult-ish to me, and all the dancing and the praise and worship music distracts the people from God.

Anyway, I think there's a huge difference between the innocence of a 3yr old boy dancing spontaneously and adults who know or should know what is expected from them at a Catholic mass. And I see nothing wrong with your son participating in the Children's Stations of the Cross...

Anonymous said...

I'm an agnostic that attends an Anglican church and that disturbed me...

Anonymous said...

Incense? dang! I thought they had brought piping hot buckets of chicken.

Adesto said...

After watching the first five minutes, I couldn't take it any more!
I forget who it was who said that the greatest loss in recent times is ADORATION. I typed "traditional mass" into youtube to find a healthy corrective and this comes up first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE&feature=player_embedded#
It's worth watching the first five minutes just to compare with the atrocity of that "closing liturgy"!!

Eric said...

I happened to be watching the clip with my 5 year old and she said, "Is that the circus?". I wanted to answer "YES".

Anonymous said...

Again, it's not about 'us'. It's not about 'us'. It's about the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The worship of Almighty God.

Anonymous said...

Lord have mercy ...

Dr_George said...

WOW! This was deserving of this many comments.
Would you guys consider providing us with an "Upchuck Meter" on this kind of thing. I watched to whole thing, after Palm Sunday lunch and nearly lost all of it. We're fasting so there wasn't much, but none-the-less, the effect was there.
On an Upchuck Meter scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being, "just threw up in my mouth," running all the way through "lost my cookies," "blew grits," and "tossed chunks" up to 10 being "projectile pukage," I rated this a 9.5.

Anonymous said...

Who advised them on this event, Maureen Dowd?! Afterall she seems to have the plans on what the Church needs to do...
of course I'm being sarcastic!

-Lisa

Anonymous said...

It pains me that this is "religious education" in the U.S. - or at least, parts of the U.S. The archdiocese is large, has a great number of people & yet THIS is the best they can do to express the Church of the Christ? The Catholic Mass was multicultural FOR CENTURIES(!) ... before the 60's revolt which gave English-speakers the jumble of additives we now endure.

Anonymous said...

I feel deeply sorry for the Eastern bishops there...
But my friend told me that the Eastern bishops celebrated a Divine Liturgy attended by more than 1000 people.
O, light of the East...

Sal said...

Ok, as someone who is a liturgist and a music minister at a parish and who appreciates everything from chant to modern praise music (I'm sure I'll get castigated here for saying that), let me say that what went on in this video was completely inappropriate. The liturgy, even if more modern music is used, still should be reverent and follow the traditions of the Roman Rite. Dancing of any kind is expressly forbidden, and the incense thing was just plain weird and totally out of place for a Catholic Mass. This liturgy represents liturgical abuse taken to the extreme.

David Wendell said...

How sad.

Hilltop said...

Every one of those bishops should be flogged in Saint Peter's Square, and Mohoney should be made to do the flogging. 40 Lashes per.

PattyinCT said...

LOL Kim, that was funny!

Um...Scuse me if I go out on a limb here, but liturgical dancing is a cultural phenomenon that shouldn't be mocked (in other words, old white women have no business attempting). I loved the music, but was sad to see it at Mass. I have to wonder myself, if these people were to hear a stunning cantata or motet, would they be bored?

So Stonehenge eh? Like "Spinaltap's Stonehenge"?! Hahahahah! Now that was funny!

phatcatholic said...

I couldn't tell if I was watching a Mass or the halftime show for the Superbowl.

Christopher said...

Why can't I shake the suspicion that even with all those Bishops, Priests and Deacons, there were still several women acting as extraordinary ministers at communion?

Laura said...

The music and dance are not to my taste, but I fail to see what is "heretical" about it. I thought the Bishop / Celebrant was being a good sport, clapping along. What's the big deal? There is room for all sorts of musical styles in Catholicism. The dance here was kind of foolish looking to my eyes, but to some other believers, it may hold valid meaning. Why judge?

Anonymous said...

I expect the inbound Bishop Gomez will say (when he sees this video) - with a characteristic Opus Dei smile: "Wonderful, what joy, now let's get on our knees and remind ourselves who God is, who is your Father, and my Father, and what wretched, self-absorbed, comfort-seeking children we've been!!

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