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Slippery Slope: Catholics Sued Over Gay Marriage

Now in Vermont, soon to come to New York. Two Catholic Innkeepers are being sued for refusing to host a gay wedding reception.

A Vermont inn violated state anti-discrimination rules by refusing to host the wedding reception for two New York City women, the couple said in a lawsuit Tuesday.

The lawsuit, filed by the American Civil Liberties Union’s Vermont chapter on behalf of Kate Baker and Ming Linsley, said the Wildflower Inn in Lyndonville turned away the couple last fall and that at least two other same-sex couples were also refused because of the inn’s owner has a “no-gay-reception policy.”

“When the Wildflower Inn told us last fall that they don’t host gay receptions, we were obviously saddened and shocked,” said Baker. “It was frustrating to be treated like lesser than the rest of the society, and we were also surprised that it happened in Vermont.”

Vermont has been a pioneer in gay rights, creating the concept of civil unions for same-sex couple in 2000. In 2009, it legalized gay marriage. Many of its tourism businesses actively market to gay clientele.

The inn’s owners, Jim and Mary O’Reilly, issued a statement saying they are devout Catholics who believe in the sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman.
Our religious liberty will be diminished as the gay rights agenda marches on. The useless conscience protections put in place in NY in order to pass the bill will not protect against the exact same thing from happening here.

They may not be forcing Catholic priests to marry gays yet because otherwise sympathetic people would turn against them were they to try. But trust me, five or ten years from now, that is exactly what they will be trying to do. My best guess is that states like NY and Vermont will stop recognizing the legal right to conduct marriages by any institution that refuses to go along. Church marriages would no longer be recognized. When that happens, many more people will choose to forgo a Church wedding altogether rather than get married twice. This is coming folks, this is coming.

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38 comments:

Zilla/MJ said...

In the New York Post the other day, an spokesperson for Governor Cuomo's office said that NY DJs, wedding bands, etc, can be sued for declining to perform at a gay wedding. What if they already have a gig scheduled for that day? What if they're going to be out of town on the day requested? Why would you want someone performing at your wedding who fundamentally disagrees with your union and is only there because they were forced to be there under threat of lawsuit? If I was forced to do a job I found morally objectionable, I can guarantee that I would not give it my best effort (I might even deliberately do a bad job)!

Zilla/MJ said...

WOW! I tried to share this post of yours to a political page that I run at facebook and got a message that I could not post your piece because it had been reported as "offensive". I run a very much NON-PC page there where pretty much everything would offend somebody, I post a LOT of anti-Obama and anti-jihad things with links to very serious stuff, and haven't been stopped by facebook before, but THIS gets banned from being posted? What did you do to make facebook hate you, Patrick? CMR is very tame and mild compared to most of the places I post links from!
Indeed, "it begins". sigh

Anonymous said...

Zilla,
I've encountered the same problem. You can bypass that block by simply copying and pasting the url to the post as a "link" on your FB page, instead of using the "share" button at the bottom of the post on this page.

Zilla/MJ said...

Well that would work for my personal profile, but this is for a "fan page" or "like page" that I run there. I posted the link in the comments section under a post explaining fb's censorship so my readers can find it. Thanks, though!

Anonymous said...

Sin is rapant and everywhere. Babies being born out of wedlock, men and women committing adultery on each other. After gay marriage comes polygamy. And that's just the tip of the ice berg. We are practically contracepting ourselves out of existence. Not to mention aborting our own children. We are committing grave sins and feeling no shame for doing so.

I tell you, certain Catholics (you know who you are!) will have a lot of answering to do before our Lord if they don't repent. Remember the message of Fatima regarding Hell! Hell is real and it does exist. More than ever, we need Our Lady's intercession. Jesus will say on Judgment Day to those on the left, "Go away, I don't know you." The leaders in this Church are in need of repentance and until they do this, they will continue in scandals.

Our holy father warned us about things like this. I just wonder how many Catholics are actually getting this message! I personally think, that many bishops are blocking these messages. Many in the hierarchy need to do a better job in exposing these heretics who teach false gospels, claiming to be of God, when they're not. But, the mute since Vatican II continues, since then, it seems that many bishops are paralyzed in fear.

I think our leaders in the Church failed to purge evil from the beginning. Now, they have permeated pretty much everywhere. From the beginning Our God has instructed the Israelites to purge the evil from amongst them. Our Lord Jesus did the same, yet our leaders in disobedience to our Lord have not done so, that is why we are in so much trouble.

Anonymous said...

Does this lawsuit have a snowball's chance in hell? I mean, is there some inalienable right to have your reception at the Wildflower Inn in Lyndonville, VT? I'm honestly wondering here, is there an innkeeper law on the books in Vermont that says that a private inn must provide its facilities to anyone who can pay? Or maybe such a law is the next thing coming?

Christina said...

Why get married with the state at all? What benefits are there to "state unions" anymore? I would seriously consider just getting married where it mattered - the Church.

Anonymous said...

I think it's no coincidence that if Vermont caters to the gay tourist community and there are plenty of Inns and venues offering such services to homosexuals, that these two women chose a location owned by a couple with the last name of O'Reilly!
When I hear a name like O'Reilly, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think Irish Catholics!

-Lisa

Susan L said...

It is starting and led by a "Catholic" politician who expects us to go exactly by the law but wants to pick and choose what Catholic teachings he'll abide by. All while claiming to be Catholic.

As a church organist, I am going to have to give up playing for all churches except the Catholic Church. Even then I don't know how that will work out. I have one church that is my employer but I subcontract out to other Catholic Churches (and up until now, Protestant churches). I'm too small for anyone to pick out but you never know.

Anonymous said...

Blocked from facebook. Unbelievable. Kind of proves the point, doesn't it?

Anonymous said...

I remember reading when a similar situation occured regarding a photographer. Seemed to me that I would have sent my most inexperienced employee to photograph the event with a dollar store disposable camera. They wanted photographs, they got 'em. (But so poor they wouldn't want 'em.)

Anonymous said...

So let me get this straight: the homosexual couple is free to impose their belief system on the innkeepers and the innkeepers aren't free to run their business as they see fit?

Gee. Never saw this coming. Freedom, justice & tolerance for all indeed.

Anonymous said...

Just like Canada.
http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=773643.0;wap2

Anonymous said...

And that is the game: forcing Christians to act against their principles. I'm telling you, we oughta play this game right back at 'em, as I've said before. Let's storm trendy places and demand employment, and let's wear Uber-Christian T-shirts and such while doing it. Let's form large groups to go from drag revue to drag revue and heckle, just to ruin the atmosphere. Let's populate gay bars and demand they put Gregorian chant on the jukeboxes. Let's all move to Key West or San Fran and demand to march in their parades as "Those Who Like Sex in the 'Missionary Position'"! Let's join the little Rainbow Clubs on campuses and in highschools and campaign to become their presidents! Let's apply for jobs as reporters for "queer" publications! Let's teach "queer studies" classes our way!

Anonymous said...

...and then one of the Knights was fired by his Employer for being a Knight.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2005/dec/05121302

Ranting Catholic Mom said...

I am appalled by the language the legislatures use to title their work to make Catholic/Christian work illegal. Think about the title of the Illinois legislation that is trying to require Catholic Social Services give foster children to gay couples:


Religious Freedom Protection and Civil Union Act

Religious Freedom Protection!!! Really.

KC said...

It's okay to refuse children at a restaurant or in retirement communities, but it's not okay to refuse this?

Anonymous said...

Do they refuse to host receptions for people who are divorced and getting remarried? Just curious.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous@8:43

I believe that they in fact do.

Arnobius of Sicca said...

To get this to post on my personal page, I had to create a "Status" link and paste the link there.

I find this ironic considering all the links to anti-Catholic+Pro-Homosexual articles they didn't censor and I find offensive.

"Tolerance" it ain't.

Anonymous said...

Silly argument. Do divorced people getting remarried engage in sodomy? Unnatural sex?

Gail F said...

I read serious arguments (well, arguments by people who thought they were being serious) from people in England that laws should require all churches to abide by "fair hiring practices" -- that is, they could not refrain from hiring anyone for any reason -- except for their actual clergy. That is, a Catholic Church could not say it would hire only Catholics for any position that was not purely religious. These folks said this out of what they considered to be FAIRNESS. That's what this is, and that's what we should expect.

Anonymous said...

The likelihood of the Church being forced to marry gays or lose the right to conduct valid marriages in the eyes of the state is something that has weighed on my mind for quite a while.

I have wondered if it may be better for the Church to voluntarily give up this civil power (before it is stripped) and forcefully reaffirm its position on the sanctity and purpose of marriage. Why should the Church want to be associated with the "civil" side of marriage if its falling apart? I have obvious reservations about this as well: Would making this point in such a manner have any impact? By requiring couples to have a separate civil and religious ceremonies, does it force those who are less involved in their Catholic faith to disregard the religious aspect? It would be a concern that these couples are those who benefit the most from Catholic marriage preparation, so removing the civil power of the Church could reduce its reach.

Anonymous said...

This homosexual couple stated that they are filing this suit on pure principle, i.e., what the inn keepers are doing is wrong. I wonder what they think about people who force others to perform actions that violate their consciences??
erin

PatO said...

Do they let priests who raped children perform marriages?

Anonymous said...

PatO,
Take your anti-Catholic hatred elsewhere.

Paul Zummo said...

Congratulations PatO. By the properties of Jay's Law, you lose.

Trad Tom said...

Certainly, PatO, there are blogs, websites, etc. where you and your type would be happier. Go. Stay.

PattyinCT said...

I find it ironic that there are lay Catholics who are going to Court for their Faith, and yet there are Catholic Priests who are waiting at the altar to marry gay couples, celebrate gay masses, and the sacrilege goes on and on...

Pray for Catholics that defend the Faith. But pray even harder for those who refuse to.

eulogos said...

Anonymous July 20, 3:27 PM "Does this suit have a snowball's chance in hell?"

In a word, yes. The inn is a public accomodation. If Vermont has added "sexual orientation" to its civil rights law, and I would be willing to be that it has, then this suit not only has a snowball's chance, it is a shoo-in. If you DJ, photograph, or host banquets/parties, you are going to have to accept "gay weddings" as part of your business, or be sued. Unless you are the Knights of Columbus occasionally renting out your hall;then you might get a pass.
The inn in Vermont will have a choice of agreeing to accept gay weedings, going out of business, or re-marketing themselves as some kind of Christian retreat house.

I don't say this because I like it. I am just being realistic.
Susan Peterson

Anonymous said...

Simply said: "I do not trust these people, therefore, I cannot allow them onto my premises." Is the state of Vermont and New York going to run security for gays? For myself, I have run into immediate hatred by a homosexual man without a word being said(twenty five years ago). Instant recognition of a straight person brought out a viciousness and evil I hope to never see again. Most are nice, but the militant gays use their gayness to abuse and subjugate others. Now the states of Vermont and New York have put the sovereignty of gays over the sovereignty of all others. The states are going to be held liable.
Mary De Voe

Anonymous said...

@Gail F.: "fair hiring practices" impose the sovereignty of the state over the sovereignty of the Church. Separation of Church and State. The sovereign personhood of each and every individual must be observed by the state. Man constitutes the state and is not property of the state. Man's sovereignty is endowed by almighty God.
Mary De Voe

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:18

If the couple is concerned for the sanctity of marriage then they should not allow divorced people to marry. They are not committing sodomy, but adultery.

I find their argument that they won't allow gay wedding receptions disappointing because at the same time they are quick to say they do not deny accommodations to same sex couples. So you can stay there, but you can't have the reception.

Anonymous said...

Feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty and shelter to the homeless are corporal works of mercy and outside the realm of the states sovereign authority to compel. Tell the homosexual gay couple that they may have the place rent free for their reception, turn off the electricity, water and do not give them the key. They get what they pay for.

Anonymous said...

This is going too far. Good commentary on this subject and Catholic issues at http://www.catholicurrent.com/#/.

Anonymous said...

Only to preserve human life can govenment tell people what, when and where to do anything.

Genty said...

It's already happened in the UK.

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/homosexuals-try-to-crush-christian-bb/

C. D. Constant said...

Very sad. Ultimately makin the sign of the cross will be a form of hate speech . . . get ready for the catacombs.

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