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Military Issues Gag Order On Catholics

My mantra, the soft tyranny of big government turned hard.

Military Chaplains are being forbidden from reading the letter from the bishops protesting the HHS mandate. If they do, they are considered seditious. ht Gateway.

The emerging conflict between the Catholic Church and the Obama administration may have a new front: in the U.S. military itself.

The Catholic Church is fighting mad about an HHS ruling that would have them buy insurance for things they consider sinful–contraception, sterilization and abortion.

All the bishops in the country sent out a letter to be read in their parishes promising that the Church “cannot-and will not-comply with this unjust law.”

Even Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who is in charge of Catholic military chaplains sent out the same letter.

But after he did, the Army’s Office of the Chief of Chaplains sent out another communication forbidding Catholic priests to read the letter, in part because it seemed to encourage civil disobedience, and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief.

More than one Catholic chaplain who spoke to us off the record confirmed that many chaplains disobeyed this instruction and read the letter anyway. Others sought further instructions from their Archbishop.

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42 comments:

Anonymous said...

Just to clarify, this order applied ONLY to Army chaplains, NOT to those in the other service branches.

Elaine

BFhelp@gmail.com said...

What, exactly, is worth civil disobedience if the defense of the unborn isn't??

MAJOR, IRR
married to Army Officer
daughter of retired Army Officer
sister of an Army Officer
granddaughter of an Army Officer
niece of an Army Officer

the mysterious said...

This is an example of how Obama has unofficially declared himself head of the Catholic Church in America. He's giving most things that Catholics want anyway, contraception, sterlization services and that sort of thing.

Anonymous said...

Exactly why our tax dollars should not fund Chaplains in the military. State sponsored religion should be banned. If solders want chaplains, they should pay for them just like those on the outside. The constitiution doesn't require giving people ministers.

Anonymous said...

Serving two masters, the Church and the Military, is biblically impossible. You can't be an officer in the military following lawful orders, and dictates of your God. Conflicts will occur.

Anonymous said...

95% of Roman Catholics (of age) practice or practiced birth control proving that the RCC's position on birth control is outdated, impractical and useless, and a position that only old men who will never know the love of a child, the risk of having a child, the risk of losing a child or the responsibility to care for a child. Yet you scream bloody murder when the things don't believe in are questioned. Right now you have a supreme court with a majority of RC justices who just made corporations humans. When will Catholics themselves stand up to a church that needs a second reformation?

Mary De Voe said...

@mysterios: "He's giving most things that Catholics want anyway, contraception, sterlization services and that sort of thing." Please know that when a person consents to commit sin he self-excommunicates himself. Faithful Catholics do not use contraception and are the only persons allowed to call themselves CATHOLIC.

A Virtuous Wife said...

This is insanity. Maybe our Commander in Chief has forgotten that it goes GOD, country, family. If the priests still decide to read it and are court marshalled for it, this will be one of the biggest acts of persecution our faith has seen in this country...well, other than the HHS mandate itself. People of all faiths should be very afraid that our administration thinks it is ok to deny us our religious freedom. So, in light of recent events, I'm looking for a new continent and a big boat (the Mayflower 2) in order to start a new colony free of tyranny. Who's with me?? The Catholic Church will NEVER change it's position...rocks are solid my friend, and I for one am thankful. Catholic did stand up, divorced the church and now there are over 23,000 different Protestant denominations all believing different things...the division Christ warned us of. Birth control goes against scripture, God's purpose for his greatest creations, and ALL of the teachings of the early Church fathers...and I do mean EARLY. The Church should not bend to our culture, our culture should bend to the Church. So you think that if the majority wants it, then let it be done? Truth is not subjective. Christ was a single man who never knew marital love or the love of a biological child but I'd like to think He knew what he was talking about.

KC said...

95%? Where did you get that fact? I wish people would stop spewing numbers without backing them up with a study or official report.

As for the order. The chaplains are allowed to read the letter this Sunday. However, the bishop had to remove the "cannot and will not comply" statement.

Pay for chaplains themselves like other people? Really? So when we send these soldiers to war, they should pay a chaplain to come along? So stupid and ridiculous. As it is, many soldiers go without basic things like Sunday mass while deployed. Such a ridiculous statement.

My husband is a soldier. He just returned from his 3rd deployment; a second to Afghanistan. We have sacrificed so much as an Army family. It was written all over my daughter's face when I told her her father was finally coming home. There was suffering in it. Suffering that she's hidden deep inside. So, for the government to put a gag order effectively going against the first amendment, makes me mad. Soldiers fight for the government; for freedom.

Mary De Voe said...

@Anonymous 9:47 AM Again: Faithful Catholics do not use contraception and are the only persons allowed to call themselves CATHOLIC. God, WHO is generosity, and charity will not be outdone in generosity and charity. If you choose to forfeit the generosity and charity of God, speak only for yourself. As far as corporations being artificial and legal persons, made in the image of man, as man is made in the image of God with free will, to hold a person responsible for their deeds and accomplishments. Would you want to buy stocks in a company run by a monkey? I think not. As government is constituted by its constituents to protect and defend virginity, innocence and our constitutional posterity, so are legal corporations established. Only when man rejects God and loses the image of God in TRUTH, is his mind darkened so that he stumbles and falls (into HELL).

Mary De Voe said...

@aVirtuous Wife:. "Christ was a single man who never knew marital love or the love of a biological child but I'd like to think He knew what he was talking about." Christ is a virgin, the rock and foundation of Christian faithfulness: sacrifice. Do you not know that Christ willingly suffered the absence of wife and children because the Catholic Church and all of God's children are his wife and his children. On the otherhand, Christ cound not have sexual relations with one of his brothers or sisters or children, for this would be incest. Christ profoundly, intimately and purely loved each and every one of us and called us to "follow me" so said Jesus.

Mary De Voe said...

And for the government, constituted by constituents, to forbid human beings from following in Jesus Christ's footsteps, and deforming man to commit abortion, human sacrifice and chief form of worship of Satan and fornication, the second form of worship of the devil and other abominations confoming us to the establishment of a religion based on lies of the not so great LIAR, is the establishment of a religion (ESTABLISHMENT OF A RELIGION)prohibited by our First Constitutional Amendment. Silencing opposition to the establishment of an unconstitutional satanic religion must be accomplished for the proliferation of evil in our midst. Every free man made in the image and likeness of almighty God, must cry out from the dungeon of his imprisonment for the free air of FREEDOM, to speak with God in the public forum. He who refuses must be silenced. Let Obama speak to our founding principles or get off the podium. FREEDOM

Anonymous said...

Ironically the senior commander of the Army's Office of the Chief of Chaplains which issued the gag order is a Catholic priest, Major-General Donald Rutherford of the Diocese of Albany, New York.

deaconchip.net said...

The Church doesn't need "reform", anonymous, at least, not on account of its supposedly "outdated" teaching on artificial contraception. As I mentioned in a blog post of my own, show me where Paul VI was wrong in Humanae vitae #17, where he outlined the grave consequences of a resort to artificial contraceptives. Here's a link to the encyclical: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html . Skip ahead to #17. Now show me where he was wrong. Because THOSE are the reasons the Church has continued to resist this headlong rush to "free love" that Protestant denominations have pretty uniformly made.

God help us!

Blackrep said...

KC

I think the most accurate statistic for Catholics using artificial birth control is 98%, not 95%. I hate to be the bringer of joy, as usual, but for your viewing displeasure.

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2011/04/13/index.html

Abortion statistics among Catholics are similar to the general population as well. Why? It's because the Church is silent. People like Nancy Pelosi advocate the right to abort and contracept in the clear light of day and remain Catholics in good standing. So, why should the average Joe Six Pack give one damn about it? He'll lumber up to communion three times a year, get his crumb of bread, and think he's going straight to the bosom of Jesus when he dies.

Bill Meyer said...

Blackrep, it would be good to remember that the Alan Guttmacher Institute is a very deeply liberal outfit, not that they wold ever shade the data, of course. ;)

As I have written elsewhere on this issue:
I can appreciate the problems with “will not comply” and the UCMJ. I can appreciate, as well, that the Army Chief of Chaplains felt bound to intercede. However, the issues I see are a) the archbishop, as I understand it is the ordinary for the diocese of the military, which comprises all branches of service, and b) at a point of conflict, the Army Chief of Chaplains chose obedience to military (secular) law over obedience to his ordinary. One must assume that the archbishop, having been given the military diocese, would have acquainted himself with the UCMJ. One might therefore infer that he was not ignorant, but issued his letter with full intent, and thorough understanding of the conflict.

It may even be that the archbishop is satisfied with the action of the Army Chief, which may have served, and may continue to serve, to focus much more attention on the issue than his obedience might have done. After all, we are hearing of the other branches only in the context of the order by the Army Chief of Chaplains.

There are many issues with the HHS ruling which are straightforward–I suggest this is not among them.

Anonymous said...

"Faithful Catholics do not use contraception and are the only persons allowed to call themselves CATHOLIC". Really? I want to see you try to enforce that one. Start tomorrow as the NOT Catholics try getting into the pews.

A friend of mine's sister is in Opus Dei. 2 kids, evenly spaced and using birth control (not needed now, so she is adamant against contraception NOW).

The Catholic church would consist of 30 people if the Cafeteria was closed.

Denise said...

Some things to know: The Archdiocese of the Military is self-funded, not funded by the US military. Unlike other military officers, the chaplains of all denominations serve their church first, and the military second. They are chaplains first, not soldiers first. They serve at the pleasure of their religious superiors. This was Church business, not Army business so Army brass should have kept their nose out of it.

Anonymous said...

Denise,

Wearing the uniform of an Officer in the military makes them the superior to EVERY enlisted man. They are paid BY TAXPAYERS their money, not the church. They are approved by their denominations to be in the military.

I would be intrigued where it is stated, in writing, their alegance is to the church before the US Constitution.

This is precisely why I could never vote for a Catholic president. Alegance to the church first, Constitution second.

Pablo the Mexican said...

"...marital love or the love of a biological child but I'd like to think He knew what he was talking about." Christ is a virgin, the rock and foundation of Christian faithfulness: sacrifice..."

Christ is the Triune God.

He is not in the lineage of Adam... He created Adam.

He is not of the Levitical Priesthood... He is a Priest in the Order of Melchizedek.

He is not a Virgin. Only women are Virgins; thus the hymen.

Marital love of a biological child?

He created everyone, including you.

Heresy is a good name for convoluted Catholic thought.

*

Anonymous said...

95(98)% of Catholics use contraceptives? Who invented that lie? Do mean to tell me that the number of Catholics below the age of puberty, past the age of meopause and those who are celibate by vocation added up equals only 2-5% of the whole? Take your dishonesty someplace else!

the mysterious said...

Mary,
My point is that Obama is like Henry VIII. Remember that Henry VIII didn't intent to make a seperate church. He just simply declared himself head if the church in England.

JM said...

Anonymous, you prove the point that this mandate is wrong. People are still using contraception, even within the Church, without this mandate. But while not paying does not force people to not use it, we should also not be forced to pay for it. Why should "free" (and note the quotes, because it's not free) contraception be a basic right?

Lynda said...

To the Anon above who made a false dichotomy between loyalty to God (through His Church) and loyalty to the United States: there is no conflict between being a Catholic and upholding the Constitution of the U.S. Rather one complements and supports the other. It is easy for a committed Catholic to be a patriot. On the other hand, atheism and its (dis)values do not conform to the Constitution. Freedom of religion and conscience is the lynchpin of the Constitution. Compulsory purchase of insurance for what can rationally be found to be evil acts (which are the opposite of "healthcare") and which have always been held to be evil except by a very recent dissenting ideology - is unconstitutional. The deliberate killing of unborn babies, at any time from the beginning of their lives, is also unconstitutional. To uphold the SC rulings that in flagrant error, purported to permitted such killing, is to breach the Constitution.

Mary De Voe said...

@ANONYMOUS 2:21 Those who eat and drink the SACRED SPECIES unworthily eat and drink to their own damnation.

Mary De Voe said...

@Anonymous 2:45
"...we must all rally together to insure that those who work for us in government understand that WE, THEIR EMPLOYERS, will not allow this atrocity to go unchallenged"

May God have mercy on us!


from the church bulletin of Saint Mary's Star of the Sea by Father Stanislao
www.heavenwards.org

Tax dollars remain the possession of the taxpayer. Government constitued by its citizens can own nothing. WE, the people of the United States of America fund priests and chaplains for our men in uniform because our men in uniform serve us and require priests and chaplains. Atheists can choose to not attend, but then again, atheists have a right to choose to change their minds being mortal and in mortal danger.

Mary De Voe said...

@Anonymous 2:45 "WE, THEIR EMPLOYERS..." my emphasis. I reject my constituency in Obama, Pelosi and every "lying useless political hack" from: The American Catholic.

Mary De Voe said...

@mysterious 3:55 but Henry VIII was not a priest, could not say the Mass for his Catholic citizens and Queen Elizabeth II is a woman pope, head of the Church of England. OK Did they have to kill all the priests? The male seed takes some days to mature, two weeks is better than two days. Having intercourse everyday defeated Henry VIII's excuse for divorcing his wife Catherine, that Catherine gave him no male heir.

Mary De Voe said...

@Pablo the Mexican Hymens are nice for female virgins. The virginity of the soul is when the soul keeps the Word of God perfectly. About convoluted Catholic thought and heresy, "the laws of nature and nature's God" (from the Declaration of Independence) are written in every man's heart, male and female. Virgins love God.

Mary De Voe said...

@mysterious again: Obama is not a priest either. Obama cannot say the Catholic Mass, but Satanists say a BLACK MASS, which is a repudiation of the Word of God and the LOVE of God for humankind. Satanists defy the LOVE of God and Divine Providence. "relying on Divine Providence" from the Declaration of Independence. Obama tried to negate by omission "our Creator" and "that all men are created equal" from our founding principles, no less than three times on video. No, Obama is not a priest, Obama sets himself up as a god, with feet of clay. Does any god need our tax money? So, why does Obama take our money?

Mary De Voe said...

Prayer of Mary De Voe: Dear Lord and God give us statesmen.

Mary De Voe said...

@Anonymous 2:45 About liars:
When I lie I become a liar. When I lie under oath in a court of law I become a perjurer. When I lie under oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America I become a traitor. If I am President of the United States and I lie under oath to protect and defend the Constitution for the United States of America, I become a liar, a perjurer and a traitor. Treason by any other name is treason.

Foxfier said...

Oh.... frick....

Mary De Voe said...

The Culture of Death has redefined man as having no soul, no immortal soul, no personhood, no unalienable rights, no informed consent, no will of the people, no right to petition Divine Providence for mercy and care, no constitutional posterity, no right to own property, no right to speak to God and to other persons, no right to pursue our destiny, no FREEDOM. The Culture of Death has imprisoned humankind and maintains a boot on the neck of the citizen to accept and fund through taxation its concept of totalitarianism. “cannot-and will not-comply with this unjust law.” ought to read: "will willingly and joyfully support the human being composed of body and immortal soul replete with conscience and the human freedom of conscience." "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created EQUAL" Every human being's conscience is EQUAL to Obamacare's conscience.

the mysterious said...

Mary, you're missing the point,

Henry VIII had to pass his "act of supremacy" in which the king was made head of the church, and the church was therafter obliged to do his will, whether it was acceptable to the church or not. In his latest action, Obama has done just that. He has ordered institutions of the Catholic Church to follow his own moral guidelines instead of its own. This is not the first time he did that, just perhaps the most widely condemned.


In taking over the moral direction of the church, Henry found a goodly number of people who readily accepted it. The "English Martyrs" were a distinct minority. Why did they accept it? They accepted it because it largely fit what a great number of people wanted anyway (e.g., to loot the monasteries, to take Church lands, to remove the burdens of monastic poor relief, to divorce and remarry) and because the threat of state action kept other mouths shut. (Not all wanted to suffer More's fate, or Fisher's) Of course, not many got to loot the Church; only the privileged few.

Without being so overt about it, Obama is declaring himself (and has been doing so for some time) the "head of the (dissenting) Church in America). He makes a sickening pretense of "cooperating" with the Church as a "partner", but only on his terms. His overriding message at Notre Dame was "abortion is off the table. Now what part of my policies can we work together on?") Unfortunately, many American Catholic bought into it, and undoubtedly many still will. Obama is a "promiser" of things that don't happen, just like Henry, but people don't realize it just yet. Like Henry, he curries the greed and favor only of the great. But Obama has greatly capitalized on the terrible legacy of a generation of Catholics whose catechesis consisted solely in a watered-down version of Liberation Theology; a "theology" whose central tenet is a statism that supposedly benefits "the poor", but only serves itself. Obama is already, in some measure, the "pope" of this particular brand of Catholicism. And, he has the power of the state behind him and a hefty "stick" as well as an anemic "carrot".

Laura said...

anon:(insert number here)% of catholics use contraception so blah blah blah.... 100% of catholics sin and we're not about to reform the chruch to make sin OK. The Church isn't a democracy, I think you got us confused with Luther's church.

Laura said...

Next thing you know priests all over the country will need to ask the govt. first before every homily.

Amy said...

95% of Roman Catholics (of age) practice or practiced birth control proving that the RCC's position on birth control is outdated, impractical and useless, and a position that only old men who will never know the love of a child, the risk of having a child, the risk of losing a child or the responsibility to care for a child.

And you are free not to be Catholic.

Birth control has destroyed sexual morality, marriage and the family. The Catholic Church's position is the one that would best serve all humanity. End of story.

Foxfier said...

Found the stat they're going off of!

It's a CDC study:
Ever Used contraceptive methods:

Percentage of women who have ever used the specified contraceptive method, among women 15-44 who have ever had intercourse, 2002:
Any method of contraception: 98.2%
Male condom: 89.7%
Pill: 82.3%
Withdrawal: 56.1%
Female sterilization: 20.7%
Injectable contraception: 17.7%
1-month injectable (LunelleTm): 0.9%
3-month injectable (Depo-ProveraTm): 16.8%
Rhythm method: 16.2%
Male sterilization: 13.0%


While over 80% of the female population surveyed by the CDC having their hormones screwed with at one point or another is pretty freaky, it's not how it was spun in the Huff'n'Puff, who got it via the Guttmacher Institute. (They're about equally neutral, for those not familiar with one...)

Here's the abstract for the study-- sorry for the huge wall'o'text.
Abstract
Objective—This report presents national estimates of contraceptive use and method choice based on the 1982, 1995, and 2002 National Surveys of Family Growth (NSFG). It also presents data on where women obtained family planning and medical services, and some of the services that they received.
Methods—Data were collected through in-person interviews with 12,571 men and women 15–44 years of age in the civilian noninstitutional population of the United States in 2002. This report is based on the sample of 7,643 women interviewed in 2002. The response rate for women in the study was about 80 percent.
Results—The leading method of contraception in the United States in 2002 was the oral contraceptive pill, used by 11.6 million women; the second leading method was female sterilization, used by 10.3 million women. The condom was the third-leading method, used by about 9 million women and their partners. The condom is the leading method at first intercourse; the pill is the leading method among women under 30; and female sterilization is the leading method among women 35 and older.
More than 98 percent of women 15–44 years of age who have ever had sexual intercourse with a male (referred to as ‘‘sexually experienced women’’) have used at least one contraceptive method. Over the 20 years from 1982 to 2002, the percent who had ever had a partner who used the male condom increased from 52 to 90 percent. The proportion who had ever had a partner who used withdrawal increased from 25 percent in 1982 to 56 percent in 2002. Another important measure of contraceptive use is use at the first premarital intercourse: before 1980, only 43 percent of women (or their partner) used a method of birth control at their first premarital intercourse. By 1999–2002, the proportion using a method at first premarital intercourse had risen to 79 percent.


A ctl-f in the write up for the CDC study found no mention of religion at all, which makes me suspect-- given that they only mention it was from data from this study-- that someone cooked the books and wanted to appeal to authority.

Foxfier said...

(Incidentally, the CDC calls me up and asks about my sex life? Very unkind words to follow. I don't care if they DID include NFP in the "ever used a contraceptive method" list.)

Anonymous said...

This Rutherford (doesn't deserve the title "Father") is a priest of Albany. Simple matter for the Military Archdiocese to withdraw its ecclesiastical endorsement, which forces said liberal priest out of the Service and back to the frozen wastes of the Empire State. I encourage others to contact the Military Archbishop and his auxiliaries (one just died-- RIP) and suggest this. I did at www.milarch.org.
FrMichael

Anonymous said...

The Chief of Chaplains is a Catholic priest? No man can serve two masters. Does he serve the Church or not?

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