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NYT Ad: Quit The Catholic Church

The New York Times published and ad from the Freedom From Religion Foundation which calls for nominal and liberal Catholics to abandon the Church.

The ad asks "Why are you propping up the pillars of a tyrannical and autocratic, woman-hating, sex-perverting, antediluvian Old Boys Club? " and states "No self-respecting feminist, civil libertarian or progressive should cling to the Catholic faith." [Full Text Below.]

It goes without saying that the brave brave NYT would never accept and publish an ad criticizing Islam in the same way. But leaving aside the obvious cowardice and their disgraceful perfunctory anti-Catholicism, I think the ad is good. If that is what you believe, get out.



Full Text


Dear ‘Liberal’ Catholic:

It’s time to quit the Roman Catholic Church.

It’s your moment of truth. Will it be reproductive freedom, or back to the Dark Ages? Do you choose women and their rights, or Bishops and their wrongs? Whose side are you on, anyway?

It is time to make known your dissent from the Catholic Church, in light of the U.S. Catholic Conference of Bishops’ ruthless campaign endangering the right to contraception. If you’re part of the Catholic Church, you’re part of the problem.

Why are you propping up the pillars of a tyrannical and autocratic, woman-hating, sex-perverting, antediluvian Old Boys Club? Why are you aiding and abetting a church that has repeatedly and publicly announced a crusade to ban contraception, abortion and sterilization, and to deny the right of all women everywhere, Catholic or not, to decide whether and when to become mothers? When it comes to reproductive freedom, the Roman Catholic Church is Public Enemy Number One. Think of the acute misery, poverty, needless suffering, unwanted pregnancies, social evils and deaths that can be laid directly at the door of the Church’s antiquated doctrine that birth control is a sin and must be outlawed.

A backer of the Roman Catholic presidential candidate says that if women want to avoid pregnancy we should put an aspirin between our knees? Catholic politicians are urging that the right to contraception should be left up to states? Nearly 50 years after the Supreme Court upheld contraception as a privacy right, we’re going to have to defend this basic freedom all over again?

You’re better than your church. So why? Why continue to attend Mass? Tithe? Why dutifully sacrifice to send your children to parochial schools so they can be brainwashed into the next generation of myrmidons (and, potentially, become the next Church victims)? For that matter, why have you put up with an institution that won’t put up with women priests, that excludes half of humanity?

No self-respecting feminist, civil libertarian or progressive should cling to the Catholic faith. As a Cafeteria Catholic, you chuck out the stale doctrine and moldy decrees of your religion, but keep patronizing the establishment that menaces public health by serving rotten offerings. Your continuing Catholic membership, as a “liberal,” casts a veneer of respectability upon an irrational sect determined to blow out the Enlightenment and threaten liberty for women worldwide. You are an enabler. And it’s got to stop.

If you imagine you can change the church from within — get it to lighten up on birth control, gay rights, marriage equality, embryonic stem-cell research — you are deluding yourself. If you remain a “good Catholic,” you are doing “bad” to women’s rights. You’re kidding yourself if you think the Church is ever going to add a Doctrine of Immaculate ContraCeption.

It is disgraceful that U.S. health care reform is being held hostage to the Catholic Church’s bizarre opposition to medically prescribed contraception. No politician should jeopardize electability for failure to genuflect before the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. (Question to ask your Bishop: Does he hold up an umbrella against the rain? Isn’t that just as “unnatural” as using a condom or diaphragm?)

Your Church hysterically claims that secular medical policy is “an assault against religious liberty.” You are savvy enough to realize that the real assault is by the Church against women’s rights and health care. As Nation columnist Katha Pollitt asks: Is it an offense against Jehovah Witnesses that health care coverage will include blood transfusions? The Amish, as Pollitt points out, don’t label cars “an assault on religious liberty” and try to force everyone to drive buggies. The louder the Church cries “offense against religious liberty” the harder it works to take away women’s liberty.

Obama has compromised, but the Church never budges, instead launching a vengeful modern-day Inquisition. Look at its continuing directives to parish priests to use their pulpits every Sunday to lobby you against Obama’s policy, the Church’s announcement of a major anti-contraception media campaign — using your tithes, contributions and donations — to defeat Obama’s laudable health care policy. The Church has introduced into Congress the “Respect for Rights of Conscience Act, ” a bill to place the conscienceless Catholic Church’s “rights of conscience” above the rights of conscience of 53 percent of Americans. That the Church has “conscience rights” to deny women their rights is a kissing cousin to the claim that “corporations are people.” The Church that hasn’t persuaded you to oppose contraception now wants to use the force of secular law to deny contraceptive rights to non-Catholics.

But is there any point in going on? After all, your misplaced loyalty has lasted through two decades of public sex scandals involving preying priests, children you may have known as victims, and church complicity, collusion and coverup going all the way to the top. Are you like the battered woman who, after being beaten down every Sunday, feels she has no place else to go?

But we have a more welcoming home to offer, free of incense-fogged ritual, free of what freethinker Bertrand Russell called “ideas uttered long ago by ignorant men,” free of blind obedience to an illusory religious authority. Join those of us who put humanity above dogma.

As a member of the “flock” of an avowedly antidemocratic club, isn’t it time you vote with your feet? Please, exit en Mass.

Very truly,

Annie Laurie Gaylor
Co-President
Freedom From Religion Foundation


ht Gateway Pundit

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199 comments:

SherryTex said...

Pretty soon Screwtape will be able to have his own byline from the NYT and not have to work under psuedonyms.

Anonymous said...

here here! Good riddance. Away with the "wrong is right" and "up is down" crowd. Get them OUT!

Katherine said...

I've never been more proud to be Roman Catholic.

Laura V said...

Amen...please do leave us alone. We want only true Catholics--no room for liberals, no one is forcing them to stay but we are being forced to give up our principles.

RCC_Soldat said...

If you're not getting flak, you're not over the target.

Roman Catholic since 2006 and ready for the challenge. Bring It On!

Anonymous said...

We better pray for Annie and the whole group. Very sad. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. We love you.

J said...

Annie Laurie Gaylor closes her patronizing ad with, "But we have a more welcoming home to offer".

It seems that she's claiming a new religion, no? Sounds like Nietzsche.

Liberals, progressives and Cafeteria Catholics struggle to remain in the Catholic Church because deep in their hearts they know that has the full 7 sacraments which leads to eternal life.

Rob B. said...

I love the comparison between an umbrella and a condom. Talk about apples and oranges! Atheists are supposed to be all about rational argument, yet they create a logical fallacy like this?

Anonymous said...

The Holy Father said that we could expect the Church to become less in numbers in the coming years but to be more devout and Holy. Let them go like the Father let the Prodigal Son go. They may return when they realize their folly

A.S. said...

These people are pure attention whores and always have been. Although I would like to know where they get their money.

And yes, prayers are always called for.

J said...

[I apologize for a double post. I hit publish prematurely]
Annie Laurie Gaylor closes her patronizing ad with, "But we have a more welcoming home to offer".

It seems that she's claiming a new religion, no? Sounds like Nietzsche.

Liberals, progressives and Cafeteria Catholics struggle to remain in the Catholic Church because deep in their hearts they know that She has the full 7 sacraments which leads to eternal life; apostolic succession; and the wisdom and beauty that spans 2,000 years.

Rob B. said...

Are there any plans to mount a counter-advertisement? Of course, exposing all the lies and fallacies contained in this ad would take at least two pages and it would probably be way over these people's heads...

Matt P. said...

And don't let the door hit you in the ____ on the way out!

I love it. "Look at its continuing directives to parish priests to use their pulpits every Sunday to lobby you against Obama’s policy,..." But they have no problem with the administration using Alinsky/Goebbels/Tzu/Machiavelli/Psy Ops principals to help shape your opinions.

No thanks. I'll stay with the truth.

Catholic for 3 years and ready to roll. Ooo-rah!

Dismas said...

I suppose donations to Catholicscomehome.org wouldn't hurt, maybe they could take out a full page counter ad:

http://www.catholicscomehome.org/donate.php

Anonymous said...

Catholic for 62 and ready to roll! St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.

MarkA said...

To: Annie Laurie Gaylor
John 8:44

Wayne said...

Your full text is missing the line in which it says, "As Thomas Paine observed: 'My own mind is my own church.'" This made me chuckle. I think Ms. Gaylor is missing her audience a bit because the people she is writing to already believe "their minds are their own church" and don't need another place to go.

Anonymous said...

Praying for you Ann.

Anonymous said...

Oh my God. That is the most idiotic, dumb thing I've ever read. Contraceptives are just like umbrellas. Suuuuure...

Nighthawk said...

"When it comes to reproductive freedom, the Roman Catholic Church is Public Enemy Number One."


Well thank you.

Steve "scotju" Dalton said...

I pray for the repentance of this women and her dupes. However, if they don't repent, this ad may help us by drawing these bitter apostates away from us, so we can be a stronger church.

romishgraffiti said...

If you're not getting flak, you're not over the target.

Perfect.

Kaneda said...

Can we please stop talking about how "this would never be tolerated if it was some other religion"? It's getting a little tiresome.

Anonymous said...

tsk tsk Annie Laurie Gaylor. You can't expect to attract flies with vinegar. You should have used a little honey instead. Three cheers for Liberal Catholics! We're gonna get it from both sides now.yay.

Anonymous said...

although i appreciate much of your sentiments, no one should be content or happy with anyone going to hell

Howard said...

Forget that they won't say, "Time to quit Islam." They also won't say, "Time to quit Judaism." Or, "Time to quit Mormonism," "Time to quit the New Age," "Time to quit Wicca," or even "Time to quit the United Methodist Church."

However, we must NOT respond with, "Get out of the Church immediately and report directly to Hell." That is not an appropriate Christian response. In fact, we should not be in a reactive mode to what nominal Catholics choose to do -- stay or go. Priests and Bishops in particular need to preach the uncomfortable truths to them and to all of us. They need to raise the bar. That would make sure that if they stay, they will have a fire lit underneath them, and if they go, they will see for themselves the effect of being cut off from the True Vine.

Please do stop being merely nominal Catholics. Do that by ceasing to be merely nominal, not be ceasing to be Catholic. (Not that they could have any more success than Julian the Apostate in erasing the mark of baptism.)

Lewis Kapell said...

Patrick, I am usually on the same page with you, but I am uncomfortable with this: "If that is what you believe, get out". Sure, we would be happier if there weren't prominent liberal/dissenting Catholics appearing in the media and making the Church look bad. But, aren't we supposed to be thinking about their salvation first of all? And would their salvation become more likely if they left the Church? Assuming that their profession of the Catholic faith is not just a political pose (and I admit that it may be in some cases), they are still our brothers and sisters in Christ, even if they are confused in some matters or have gone astray. We need to be reaching out in charity and praying for them, not showing them the door.

Blogahon said...

"You will be hated because of me. " - Jesus

JoAnna said...

Kaneda - I'll stop talking about it once people acknowledge the hypocrisy.

That being said, I agree with Annie and her ilk. I'd rather have a small Church comprised of faithful Catholics than a large Church comprised of lukewarm or nominal ones.

When I concluded that my denomination (ELCA) taught error, and not Truth, I left it. I didn't stay and claim I was a Lutheran who didn't follow Lutheran teachings.

ceciliamschwartz said...

*face palm*

I had the same thought as MattP: Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!

Of course, we'll be waiting with open arms whenever you wise up and come crawling back, cause that's how we roll.

Trisha Niermeyer Potter @ Prints of Grace said...

If you wholeheartedly agree with this letter to "liberal Catholics," then you neither understand nor are you living out and in communion with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. If you are still inclined to pray to God the Father, then please do so and in earnest ask Him to reveal the Truth to you. Only by genuinely seeking and experiencing His Truth will those who go along with this line of thinking have a change of heart and mind. The work of conversion may be aided by Christians, but the root of it is always the Holy Spirit.

Dismas said...

JoAnna,

Let's not forget, it's Jesus' Church. Fortunately, you and I are always welcome along with everyone else. How long were a Lutheran?

Anonymous said...

As a strict historical matter, the Church is postdeluvian.

Other than that, I do have to agree with the ad's premise - if you disagree with the Church on fundamental issues, why do you remain? It seems to be bit hypocritical to do so - they are essentially calling out dissenting Catholics in a way the Church Herself doesn't.

Perhaps this HHS contrvoersy may end up being God's way of cleaning house.

Pals said...

Dear. Ms. Libby and Mr. Nomi Catholic,

Take the advice of FFR and please do leave. And while your at it take Pelosi, et.al. ad nauseum with you.

Love and prayers.

Paul Turnley said...

What, unfortunately, most engaging in the abortion discussion fail to acknowledge is that the Catholic Church is the most Pro-Life organization going. We protect the life of fetuses, of the elderly, of even those born with congenital birth defects. And while such protection may limit the freedom of the rest of us, so does every other person on the earth. So the argument is flawed from the outset.
However, the whole premise of our Church is based on the forgiveness of enemies. In Eden God did not destroy Adam and Eve but allowed them to live and promised them that their offspring would overcome Satan. He continued to show his unconditional love throughout Salvation history, ultimately demonstrating "His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Rom 5:8 The ultimate example were His Son's words from the cross: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." So to rankle and rave against such outcries, willing the ostracism of those who heckle us, is not what Jesus did. When he couldn't win them over with parables, signs and arguments, He ultimately prayed they be forgiven. Not to follow His example betrays our lack of faith and disobedience to his example and directive, "love your enemies; do good to those who hate you." Lk 6:27
Practically speaking, seeking revenge or retaliation is counterproductive. Instead, be counterintuitive: use our ultimate weapon: love expressed through non-violence, prayer, preaching the truth in season and out of season [and this is definitely out of season].
And, by the way, we should agree with our detractors insofar as they speak the truth concerning our sex scandals and coverups. Like Paul, we cannot boast of ourselves or even portions of our Church, but only in the cross of our Lord. Gal 6:14.
The Spirit is working among us, ridding us and our Church of any possible cause for hubris and reforming us into the humble and renewed Body of Christ.

Anonymous said...

I also have to say, the advertisers give the Church far more credit than the Catholic dissenters do. At least the advertisers understand that the Church holds to truths that it cannot and will not change.

ProudHillbilly said...

"If you're not getting flak, you're not over the target." Made me smile.

Magnus said...

Makes me glad to be a Catholic. At last if the chaff leaves the Church, we can have a Mass without their cell phones going off.

Anonymous said...

I think that a cleansing of the church would be a good thing. Then we will not have these liberals spewing forth their untrue teachings of the church. People like Nazi Pelosi, who align themselves with the Catholic church, as best to separate themselves from us. When they are in FULL communion with what the Church teaches and stands for, then they are more than welcome to return, and we will greet them with open arms!

Anonymous said...

Yes, it is time for all liberal "Catholics" to leave the Church. This includes entire orders of liberal "nuns" "brothers" and "priests". This would mean most Jesuits, Franciscans, Sisters of Mercy etc. And this is the result of allowing open heresy to go unchallenged in the Church for the last 50 years. PLEASE LEAVE, then maybe I'll be able to prayer in peace before and after Mass for a change instead of having to deal with the unbridled chaos that usually insues.

Anonymous said...

I will work for free just to beg all the liberals "Catholics" to leave the Church. Please leave, I would pay to have them leave. If there is anything I can do to get these liberal "Catholics" to leave the Church please ask. Hopefully it will start with the entire Kennedy family, the Sisiters of St. Joseph, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Richard McBrien,Kathleen Sebilius, "Father" Phlegher etc. Don't let the door hit hit you on the way out.

Spangler said...

Normally, I would agree that we should not show dissenting Catholics the door so quickly; however, from what I have researched, a great number are remaining within in order to be the alternate voice for Catholics besides the bishops. This strategy has succeeded in convincing Obama and many Americans (Catholic and otherwise) that they are the true voice and the future of Catholicism, and therefore policies like the HHS mandate are perfectly reasonable. Do you think we got to this point coincidently? Absolutely not. I often wondered why dissenting Catholics stay, and now it is perfectly clear. They work in parishes, dioceses and schools (priests, sisters and laypeople), spreading their belief system wherever they can. The majority of Catholic universities are Catholic in name only. If your children attend them, they often lose their faith. These dissenters have been operating and talking among themselves so long that they didn't realize that a movement of faithful Catholics has come to critical mass, and would put up a fight. They thought that they were the only game in town. They are shocked that faithful Catholics and converts have increased to such an extent. However, they will not go quietly. Prayer, good example and speaking the truth in love; these are our weapons.

Rob B. said...

To Paul Turnley:

All you've said is correct. Any show of anger on our part will be interpreted as a betrayal of our principles. They will say, "Look how they aren't turning the other cheek..."

And yet, Christ himself whipped the moneychangers out of the temple. Maybe it's time to embrace the ideal of righteous anger again. Maybe it's time to remind people that one can be meek, humble, *and* strong all at once. Maybe it's time call crap like this out for what it is: an irrational hatred of religion in general and the Church in particular.

D.A.Howard said...

You do not have to formally leave the Church to be excommunicated. Missing Mass, Contraception and other acts automatically excommunicate you.

Good riddance to Pelosi if she chooses to leave. I will keep her in my prayers, however, her acts are a scandal to the Church.

Anonymous said...

I think you all are missing the point! Tax payer $ should not be funding contraceptives, abortions or what not!. if a person needs a condom let them go to walmart and buy them! abortion is murder, period! if a women doesnt want a child dont have sex!

I am a born again Christian not a Catholic. It upset me when these 2 terms are used synonymously! I pray to Jesus Christ, not Mary! there's only one Holy Father, GOD! Not a Priest that is a siinner and needs to be saved through the blood of Christ!

I pray for all Catholics who think thier ritualistic beliefs are saving them and this lady, that they will know the true way to salvation, confess Jesus as Lord, beleive it in your Heart, and REPENT and Sin No More!

Charles said...

Better for liberals to stay close to the fount of grace. The Church is to remain a mixed society in this life; I have no interest in seeing her purged in this life.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous, who prays to Jesus Christ, not Mary....did the members of the church to which you belong ever pray for someone who was very ill? That is no different than asking Mary to pray for you. We do not worship Mary just because we talk to her and ask her to pray for us. If you look at the Hail Mary you will see that it is simply a Gospel based statement about Mary, ending with a request for her to pray for us. Do you find fault with that? (I hope not.)

SherryTex said...

Upon reflection, even though it made me angry, I do not want a single person to leave because of this ad. I do not want one person lost. I do not want one voice discouraged. I do not want even the most nominal Catholic to lose out on their occasional experiences of the Church. Rather I hope, they will suddenly be shaken to figure out why they stay, and that staying will become stronger.

Darryl G. Wright said...

[Humanist and compassionate secular people stand with arms wide open - come on over - you're welcome here!]

Kaneda said...

@JoAnna
I would disagree with you. It isn't as simple as hypocrisy on their part.
Remember the last time Muslims were offended? People were killed. If Catholics speak out, guess what happens? We're called greedy old men who harbour child rapists. Whether or not what they say has truth, that's what people say.

George said...

Where did you get the "full text" from. It does not match the graphic that you posted.

Anonymous said...

The church will be tested by fire. In fire, the impure elements are lost, and the remaining mass is more pure and stronger. I would like to see a similar open letter to liberal Catholics saying that they should drop their liberal bent. That would be even better for them than to leave the church. BTW, to the born again noncatholic, we will pray for you, and will ask that Mother Mary will do the same for you.

SherryTex said...

Upon reflection, even though it made me angry, I do not want a single person to leave because of this ad. I do not want one person lost. I do not want one voice discouraged. I do not want even the most nominal Catholic to lose out on their occasional experiences of the Church. Rather I hope, they will suddenly be shaken to figure out why they stay, and that staying will become stronger.

Anonymous said...

Apparently the author already has quit the Church. Any informed Catholic wouldn't have written this piece. Time to say goodbye to this wayward author - don't forget to come back home after your detours are over.

Anonymous said...

What's missing is the true sponsor: the Evil One. Lord have mercy on us all.
-Kelly

Chris - The Eternal Server said...

I find it laughable that these people call on "civil libertarians" to join them when their group is about as authoritarian as can be.

Anonymous said...

That ad makes a logician want to cry...a thing logicians don't do lightly.

Alfredo Cerrillo said...

I hope liberal "catholics" listen this call and finally get out theirself from de Catholic church. We don't need them.

Anonymous said...

sorry to say I do. Mary, saints or other dead loved ones do notm can not interceed for us, only Christ can. The bile is very clear on that. Please read your bible and God will show you the truth. In Christs Love, Kevin

Anonymous said...

>>>Anonymous said...
sorry to say I do. Mary, saints or other dead loved ones do notm can not interceed for us, only Christ can. The bile is very clear on that. Please read your bible and God will show you the truth. In Christs Love, Kevin>>>

Yes, it's true that "The bile is very clear on that"

Paul Zummo said...

The bile is very clear on that.

Never has a type been so accurate.

Paul Zummo said...

Aaaaaan naturally I have a typo in the word typo itself. Sigh.

Tricia said...

The writer simply proves her ignorance of the Catholic faith. While she is partly aware of the guidelines by which we Catholic-Christians live, she is obviously completely UNaware of WHY we follow these guidelines. Perhaps a thorough research into the WHYs of Catholic living (from legit Catholic resources, and not inaccurate and poorly-informed Catholic bashing websites) might enlighten this writer.

-Karla said...

Tricia-took the words out of my mouth. Thanks!

I'm a 22 year old female living in Las Vegas. I've seen what contraception can do. You think "freeing" myself from the Church will bring happiness and contentment? Sorry, but I've seen too many of my young sisters, and I say sisters because we all are equal as humans, -including myself, fall down a never ending cycle of brainwashed lust to self-conscious hate, and lack of respect for life- for their own lives. Talk about values. I'm proud to Catholic because I've learned a deeper understanding of real love and sacrifice. Not this secular bullcrap that believes we can do what we want, when, where, with whomever and not be accountable for our consequences.
I'm taking MY CHURCH ANY DAY. Yay Catholics!! Yay Christians, yay all of those that stand up for their faith and are persecuted for Truth!!!!
I'm praying for you.

Dismas said...

@ Kevin - We have read our Bible and God has shown us the truth. You are very wrong about the intercession of the Saints. Christ taught us that if we die in his friendship we have eternal life in heaven and remain very much alive. Mary and the Saints not only pray for us, they pray with us before the throne of God in heaven:

And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures, and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints: [Apocalypse (Revelation) 5:8]

And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God. [Apocalypse (Revelation) 8:3]

And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel. [Apocalypse (Revelation) 8:4]

The heavens shall confess thy wonders, O Lord: and thy truth in the church of the saints. [Psalms 88:6]

Anonymous said...

@Kevin, you believe the saints and Mary can't pray for us. Please think about the consequences of your position:

You can't interceed on my behalf, nor can I interceed on yours, and, in fact, you can't even interceed on your own. So according to you, Jesus lied when He said to pray to God our Father, because only Jesus could interceed on our behalf, therefore praying the "Our Father" - the very prayer He told us, is of no effect. In short, you have called Jesus a liar.

Anonymous said...

For there will come a day, when a king among kings will come down rom the heavens, his light will shine all upon the earth, the angels in heaven will sing, and evil will tremble at his feet. For he will lay judgement on those who are righteous, those who are humble and those who are indifferent. Only then will he decide who has the right to join the kingdom of heaven, and who will be condemned to outside of the kingdom. Only he decides who is deserving, and who is not.

Howard said...

@D.A.Howard

You are confusing mortal sin with excommunication. They are not at all the same thing.

megS said...

I literally started crying when i was reading this. Sometimes I just feel so overwhelmed at the hatred and misunderstanding people have and the injustice that no one sees the bullying and the religious bashing for what it is! It's true, if this was about Muslims or GLBTs this would be plastered all over every media source as hate speech to incite harm. I'm also a 24 year old female living in Las Vegas and have always considered myself a true feminist and not an "i deserve everything or i'm going to have a tantrum like a 5 year old if i don't get my way" feminist. This article got my blood racing, but I was so blessed to have read these comments and not see trolls. This has definitely heartened me! i will forever and always stand with the catholic church!

Raul said...

To anonymous, who prays to Jesus Christ, not Mary....It doesn’t matters if we pray to Mary. The core of our belief is the Eucharist. Without this, Mary means nothing. Please read John 6, especially verses 22-71. This is where our Lord was asked what he meant when he told us to eat his Flesh and Blood. Now, at this point you are probably saying we misunderstood this, that it is only symbolism, but the problem with that, he was asked 3 times and each time he did not change what He said. Now you are probably saying I am still wrong. Fine, but I will tell what makes me shiver, it when I read verses 66-67
66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
   67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.
They didn’t walk away from a priest or a nun or a brother or the shlub in the pew. THEY WALKED AWAY FROM OUR LORD and Our Lord didn’t stop them. He didn’t stop them. Our Lord knew they were thinking cannibalism, so if they didn’t turn around, they were walking into hell.

Raul said...

As for the liberals, I believe it would be better for theirs souls to leave. My reasoning is that right now, they are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, our Lord cannot work with them. Like the prodigal son, maybe He can change their hearts after they go into the world. If they staying in the church and just going through the motions, they are on the road to hell.

mtmom said...

I think it is a great idea. Better to know who our enemies are clearly!

Elizabeth said...

I sent an email/Comment to those at the organization behind this, Freedom From Religion (or something like that), thanking them for their ad and explaining that those who agree with their ad/letter aren't "catholic" anymore anyway. I didn't bother trying to explain the excommunication process nor any theology.

I also said that I couldn't understand why these people who'd agree with the stance of the ad continue to call themselves Catholic at all and it was beyond me why they don't just go off and start a new 'church' like the protestants. The Catholic Church hasn't changed her doctrine, to suit the times, for millenia.

I wanted to make the same kind of comment on the New York Times site but couldn't find the ad on the website.

I think we should flood the Freedom From Religion site with THANKS for their ad!

Mary De Voe said...

@Anonymous 1:53PM."Contraceptives are just like umbrellas". Umbrellas do not leak or pemit HIVAIDS to soak through, condoms do. Something Obamacare will have to pay for. The atheists' freedom ends where my freedom begins, in the First Amendment.

Irenaeus of New York said...

Where are my guns and bibles to cling too? As someone said earlier... I am ever more proud of my Church. She is right when the world is wrong, and consistently so.

Laura said...

Well said, Mary De Voe!
The fact they are compelled to alter the very words of our US Constitution is an attack on liberty.
As Lincoln concluded at Gettysburg, "that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom...and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth"

Dorian Speed said...

I'm confused. I thought The Pill was *huge.* I thought it was the foundation on which rest all the hopes and dreams of women everywhere. Which is it? Something so small as to be insignificant, or the only way women can ever be empowered? It's almost like the cartoon grossly distorts Catholic teaching and makes women's freedom dependent upon fundamentally altering our body chemistry.

Gail Finke said...

How's this for the text of a counter ad:

Dear "cafeteria Catholic":

If you leave the Church established by Christ because of a vulgar, nasty, lie-filled ad in a newspaper by some vulgar, nasty, attention-seeking atheists, well...

Good luck with that!

Mrs. Pinkerton said...

"Why continue to attend Mass? Tithe?"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Shows how much she knows about liberal Catholics.

Teresa B. said...

They leave - but show up at Mom's funeral and then things get ugly because 'you should give me what everyone else is getting!'

Anonymous said...

Jesus warned us of mere human precepts. Regardless if he is the son of God, he's right. The RCC has its share of these human precepts. BTW, if we somehow found evidence that Jesus was not the son of God, would you change your belief system?

Elizabeth D said...

FFRF headquarters is located in my city, Madison, WI. I certainly wouldn't thank them for this. We, yes definitely including us laity, need to be reaching out to the same nominal, confused or fallen away Catholics in charity and friendship to answer questions and provide information, invite them back to the Sacraments, direct them to further education, etc.

Anonymous said...

"Upon this Rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it."

"If God is for us, who shall be against us?"

Anonymous said...

The Freedom from Religion Foundation placed this add hoping they could influence liberal catholics. I hope and pray they are correct.

Elizabeth D said...

I plan to pray a rosary outside FFRF headquarters tomorrow, and I think others may join me.

Anonymous said...

Hey, these folks get it! The Church will never compromise!!! Pope benedict predicted the church would have to shrink. Maybe it will be a result of CINOs finally bailing to go to the church that agrees with their own doctrines. We call the protestants.

Dilexisti said...

There is nothing in the menu of the teachings and doctrines of the Church that liberal and heterodox catholics can choose from because none of these are palatable to them. They are not even cafeteria catholics. One of the items in the list is this: "Extra Ecclesiam salus non est" They avoid that because they don't even know what it means. But everything will be clear at end of the day (their lives, i.e.). That tiny little pill in the ad? It will appear so enormous that their understanding of it will be beyond their comprehension. “The wisdom of this world (according to the NYT) is foolishness in God’s sight.” (Justice Scalia said this). True orthodox Catholics should have the courage to have their wisdom regarded as stupidity.

Why the "quit the Catholic Church" exhortation when they are no longer members. We are not quitting, so you get out while you still can.

Travis said...

I understand the sentiment that we are all tired of the so called liberal Catholics and cafeteria Catholics, but let us remember how despicable we would all appear before the Lord. Remember that God tempers His justice with mercy to those, rather all of us, who are in sin. If we cast them out then we must cast ourselves out to! Rather lets pray for their souls, offer our selves for their conversion, and work to provide good catechising to our brothers and sisters who err in their choices! In the end this burden of binding our brothers and sisters who have chosen this way belongs to the Bishops so let us pray for them as well and the Holy Spirit to continually guide them to do God's will!!!!

May we continually decrease so that He may increase! Amen!

WillyJ said...

Huh? Quit?? But where would we go? (Jn 6:68)

Anonymous said...

Catholics...lol. shm.

Anonymous said...

Time for the pruning?

David said...

Annie- I sense the evil one has a grip on you, but remember God loves you and there's nothing you or I can do about it.

Steve said...

How cleverly the Obama administration, with the collusion of the press, has changed the debate. Instead of talking about the injustice of requiring religious institutions to violate their consciences, the issue has morphed into a right to contracept generally. It's a totally false issue since nothing has ever been proposed that in any way affects anyone's ability to procure contraception. This sinister, and well-orchestrated scheme gives us fearful insight into the devious, corrupt nature of the enemy. The endgame here is to incite all the latent hostility against Christ's church (and Christ himself) while inflaming feminists in particular, but women in general by reviving passionate sentiments about "womens' rights". Satan is the cleverest of tyrants.

Anonymous said...

Looks like a good era for martyrdom and sainthood as the devil is very active now.

Time to sharpen and brandish the Sword of Truth;
and shine the Light over all these darkness.
Onward Christian Soldiers! The gates of hell shall not prevail!
May the Lord be with our spirits!

anonymous Joe said...

a gleam of silver lining: "get it to lighten up on birth control, gay rights, marriage equality, embryonic stem-cell research". It seems that they realize that even "liberal Catholics" - the 'tithing kind' - will draw the line at outright abortion.

proudcatholic in dallas said...

When I read all the comments, although we are "one" in our stand against this evil, I am saddened when we turn against each other. Isn't this the intent of the letter? To divide us. Let's stand together. This is what happened in Nazi Germany. May we stand together and fight the evil that is trying to tear apart the one true church of our Lord. Jesus did not intend the church to change with modern times. That is why it endures. Stand together brothers and sisters in Christ!

Anonymous said...

This is one of the many way of knowing I am in the true Church. The Church I want to be in is the one Satan is most interested in destroying.

Ed said...

Because of this, I am pleased in my infirmity: in reproaches, in difficulties, in persecutions, in distresses, for the sake of Christ. For when I am weak, then I am powerful.(2 Corinthians 12:10)

Unknown said...

One thing I noticed in the letter was no mention of God. For them God doesn't exist and therefore any laws ascribed to God as his will for humanity are nonsense. The readings in the "B" Cycle for Mass this weekend speak about the law and the prophets and what do they say: Love God with your whole heart and mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself. This is the message of Jesus that we are all God's children and when we close our minds and hearts to God and seek only our own selfish interests we are the ones who distance ourselves from God. Contraception, Sterilization, Abortion and other destructive dehumanizing activities lessen us as human being. We believe that we are all created in the image and likeness of God. Others may not so we must fight the good fight and run the race as St. Paul reminds us. For the wisdom of Man is foolishness compared to the wisdom of God.

Anonymous said...

The demons are thrashing on the floor before the Holy Mother Church. Back to the pit evil ones. Back to the pit.

Anonymous said...

The published letter is a clear example of the such-righteous bigoted trite that has come to define modern day atheism. The hateful intolerance of atheism today, coupled with its preachy condescension reassures me that Catholicism, for all its faults, is closer to truth than any other ideological world view.

linda said...

If we want to see what "freedom from religion" looks like: the Reign of Terror or Communism or the persecutions from the Spanish Civil War or the in Mexico can give you a good idea.

A country without God is a terrible thing.

ElizabethK said...

I can't imagine that anyone would seriously leave the church because of this ad, nor that that is actually their intent. It's just a pretext to spew some bile and some hatred. That's never good; it's good to laugh about it, but we also need to see it for what it is. And yes, placing another religion in the place of Catholicism is helpful insofar as I think a lot of us would be really angry if it were someone else--and we'd also feel some concern. I couldn't care less that they're pretending to urge people to leave the church; I am concerned that they're using that as a platform to spread bigotry and that the NYT is complicit in doing so. (I did visit their website, and I had to chuckle because they were incensed that they had to add the word "consider" to their title--which they take as further proof of the psychotic power of the RCC. LOL.)

Smart Guy said...

@Rob B. What's fallacious is your unfounded assertion that it's fallacious. Don't want rain to get you wet? Don't go out in it.

Anonymous said...

To FFRF.org, Satin get behind me.

Anonymous said...

All The News That's Fit to Print. I believe this is the New York Time's Motto. You can't read the New York Times any longer unless you are the most liberal of liberals. They have lost their editorial way. This ad should never have been published. It is incdendiary. The Catholic Church, right or wrong, has always fought for what it believes. I have not always agreed with the doctrine of the church because much of the dogma is man made and does not impart scriptural relevance. The Catholic Church has its problems. Just like the Protestants, and those who practice the Faith of Islam. Don't you think they wish they could control all of those jihadists hurting their faith. But who ever said the Times would not publish an ad blasting Islam was correct. It is time for someone to blast the times. I for one enjoyed portions of the Times. I will never pick it up again.

Anonymous said...

We know the Church is doing God's will when it is attacked so openly (and stupidly.) We should be praising God for this persecution. Jesus said we would be hated by the world because they hated him first. They still do. Those Catholics who would leave over this, are Catholic in name only.
The sad thing is that there are so many souls, like the writers of this ad who will never feel the peace and love that Jesus brings us through his Sacraments. The true heaven here on earth. Jesus said he would deny those who denied him. It is all in God's plan. He will separate the sheep from the goats. Our country was founded on Christianity and most of those who claim to be Christian are not, because they allow this to flourish by their silence. They should realize that their denominations will not be attacked because Satan could care less about those who have already given in to the world. The Church will stand, no matter what. Those who know and live the Truth are also willing to be persecuted and die for it. Praise God for the opportunity to live in these times. It will get worse as those who are fueled by the evil one continue to become more and more violent. Be not afraid. We know how it all ends. God is good.

TJ Burdick said...

"Forgive them, Father. They know not what they say."

Anonymous said...

This IS good news indeed.
Congrats to Laurie and Dan!!! For over forty years, I have been trying to figure out a way to get these people out. I do hope they take them up on their offer. I offer to hold open the door as they all leave.
Of course, it goes without saying, that when they are ready to submit themselves to all Church doctrine and dogma, they are most welcome to return.

Anonymous said...

I just hope Nancy Pelosi and Kathleen Sebelius read the NYT.

tomperna.org said...

You beat me to the punch on this CMR, but I am going to write next week on this a bit too. Once these exams are graded, during Spring Break I will say a few things on my new and simple blog. I think I will do this on Monday night or Tuesday. But I do favor a smaller and a more faithful Church. Till then...

Anonymous said...

The church should issue the FFRF a $65,000 tax receipt for this. They are helping to clean out the unnecessary baggage from the church.

Telemachus said...

I think some one needs to start another political group: the FFFFRFF: "Freedom From the Freedom From Religion Foundation Foundation."

Anonymous said...

Wow, that's a lot of hate packed into one anti-Catholic bigoted screed. It would take a village and a year to respond to each lie. But that said, if you are Catholic and agree with what those vile bigots said then yes...leave. Leave before the persecutions start. They will come soon enough.

Anonymous said...

Please don't fall into the trap of retaliating with insults. For then we will be no less better than those who attack. Return hate with Love. Be still in your heart and know that He is God.

Be united in prayer.

Pals said...

I plan on taking a head count at Mass tonight and tomorrow. I want to see how effective this ad was. I'll post the results after the last Mass tomorrow. Hold your breath, I think their $56,000 investment will pay off!

Anonymous said...

Karla,
God bless you! I am so encouraged when I hear young women who truly understand how beautiful Catholicism is and how freeing it is to live the teachings of the Church. You are an inspiration to me. :)

Tammy Samms said...

I'm a convert to Catholicism and I've never felt the love of God more in my life than when I am in the Catholic church among His followers. May God bless you and keep you even while you so harshly push Him away.I'm a proud PRACTICING Catholic and am raising practicing Catholic children.God is so GOOD!

Paxchristi said...

Please, those Catholics who do not accept the teachings of the Church - go. Your heart has already left, and the reason you remain is a mystery to those of us who love the Catholic Church. Is it power? Is it a hope you will change the Church from within? Is it both? To stay and doggedly undermine is hypocrisy, especially if you undermine the faith of the innocenti in the pews. You see, there is something you do not understand: for those who resent the teachings but continue to stay and agitate, you actually have some other place to go, a Christian denomination (there are 35,000 from which to choose) that will encompass all your theology - or you can create your own. But, for those of us who love the Catholic faith, there is no other place to go: this is it. This is it! So thank you FFR.org; you may have done people a massive favor in encouraging them to leave. It is win/win all around. And, please God, those who leave will eventually come to understand and embrace the wisdom of the faith of St Thomas Acquinas, St Augustine, St. Benedict, St. Teresa of Avila, St. Therese of Lisieux, the Jesuit martyrs of North America, St Elizabeth Seton ...

Elizabeth D said...

I prayed a rosary on the E Washington Avenue sidewalk this afternoon outside FFRF headquarters here in Madison, WI. For the liberty and exaltation of our holy mother the Church, for the conversion of sinners and especially a change of heart for supporters of FFRF, and the return to the Church of Catholics who have left. The Church is the universal sacrament of salvation, and in charity I do not want to say "good riddance" in regards to anyone who is rejecting their salvation. I want them to come home and know the mercy and love of God, and for nominal Catholics to learn their faith, and learn to love Jesus and His bride and body the Catholic Church very well.

Elizabeth D said...

Sorry, that's W Washington Avenue :-)

Anonymous said...

Glad to see the Church is still causing a stir! That's what Jesus did. Amen. Thanks for this declaration of half-truths to let people know where to find the Truth of Christ!

It's articles like these that make me think of the Catholic Church as the big brother to little America. America wants to contracept itself to death and big brother Catholic Church says that what it wants will be its demise. Those with ears ought to hear the voice of Jesus in the Church. It will save America.

No, Annie, the Church will survive and flourish despite your attacks and pleas to abandon faith. Please know that you now have many Catholics praying for you. There's a lot of resentment in your words to the Church, sinful though the Church may be. Know that the Church is pro-life, pro-women, and pro-freedom, but wants to understand these things as part of the bigger picture. Annie, you are loved by me and by God. I hope you know that.

Anonymous said...

They can't win unless they divide the Catholics. This will only make the Church stronger. Lukewarm and non-practicing Catholics were never in the game. The letter is full of lies, real Catholics can see through the lies. We will pray for you. God Loves you too.

Anonymous said...

Walter from New Jersey

I hope Liberals continue this attack on Catholics, because they are too stupid to understand that they are uniting Catholics across the country. Thank God for granting stupidity upon the Liberals, John 3:1 "Jesus Teaches Nicodemus"

Anonymous said...

For all the Faithful Catholics; stay strong. For anyone unsure of standing with the Bark of Peter, the solid rock-foundation of the Church; our prayers are with you. Our Catholic warfare and spiritual battle is for the salvation of souls. The Church is not a "club of saints", but a "school of sinners". Students don't apply for school -already knowing what the classes will teach them. Babies are not born into the world -already knowing how to live life. Likewise; all Baptized Faithful, while here on earth, will be always growing and always maturing, if their Faith is solid. A person's development, correctly guided and instructed, is the true definition of progression. A true respect for the dignity of the human body, male and female, and understanding the natural anatomy that characterize the quality of both, is a true progression and development of sexuality. Respecting the privacy, modesty and decency of the body as a temple of the Holy Spirit, is a recognition of the gift of our bodies.

adele young said...

Christians "leaving" the faith is as old as the faith itself, Judas being among the first to go!
Try reading John6: 41-71 to get the idea. Pray for all that we might be one!

LauraPaxton said...

I created an answer to their horrible cartoon/ad. I hope maybe people see it and can make a more balanced opinion. It's in my blog.
http://thepassionateparadox.blogspot.com/2012/03/in-response-to-freedom-from-religion.html?spref=fb

LauraPaxton said...

oops.. hope this posts. I'm an RCIA student to join the Church on Easter of this year, and reading that sort of thing is disturbing and I want to counter it any way I can. Thanks.

My Anti Religious Freedom Foundation AD

Anonymous said...

This makes me love my Catholic faith all the more and to fight for it in every way I can for the rest of my life. Sounds like Ms. Gaylor has some homework to do on the Catholic Church, its teachings, and what the Church is really asking for regarding religious liberties. If she persuades "cafeteria Catholics" and "liberal Catholics" to leave, so be it. That will leave the devout Catholics who understand Jesus' Church and her Truths. I will pray for Ms. Gaylor and all of her "followers."

Anonymous said...

Huh, funny how they never mention that if people actually followed Church teachings when it comes to contraception and abstinence what would happen. No they only focus on the part where the Church says no contraception. Hello, its called saying no, or waiting until marriage, which is actually what the Church teaches.

Anonymous said...

Dear Friends in Christ, I am a CCD teacher and find some of the comments posted on this site in response to the ad in the NYT divisive. When I teach my children about the Saints, such as St. Maximilian Kolbe, who died at Auschwitz, I tell them that some of the men who killed St. Kolbe went through the same CCD program my children are going through but missed the message - that is, that God created EVERYONE and God loves EVERYONE. As John Paul II wrote, "You are not the sum of your failures and weaknesses, but the sum of the Father's love for you."

Robert said...

"I understand the sentiment that we are all tired of the so called liberal Catholics and cafeteria Catholics, but let us remember how despicable we would all appear before the Lord. Remember that God tempers His justice with mercy to those, rather all of us, who are in sin. If we cast them out then we must cast ourselves out to! Rather lets pray for their souls, offer our selves for their conversion, and work to provide good catechising to our brothers and sisters who err in their choices! In the end this burden of binding our brothers and sisters who have chosen this way belongs to the Bishops so let us pray for them as well and the Holy Spirit to continually guide them to do God's will!!!!

May we continually decrease so that He may increase! Amen!"

I agree with this. The ad makes me sad and so do some of the comments on here. Why the derision and scorn? Liberal Catholics are earnest in searching people, in my experience, just like all of us. We have to live in LOVE above ALL.

Unknown said...

"The Amish, as Pollitt points out, don’t label cars “an assault on religious liberty” and try to force everyone to drive buggies." If the Amish were being forced to pay for your automobile, I bet they would cry foul. When the Amish were being forced to send their children to high school because of compulsory school attendance laws, they argued that their religious liberties and way of life were being trampled upon (Yoder v. Wisconsin).

The only people obligated to follow the Catholic Church's teaching on contraception and other matters of faith and morals are Catholics. The Catholic Church is not forcing non-Catholics to abandon artificial forms of contraception, yet they react as though all the pills, condoms, IUDs, etc. in the world will suddenly go away. This is a diversion from the fact that the HHS mandate is a government forcing contrary secular values on religious institutions. We are the ones being backed into a corner, yet they scream like we are the aggressors.

As an intelligent capable woman (not some mindless dutifully following sheep), I wholeheartedly believe the Catholic Church is right about sex, marriage, contraception, sterilization, and abortion. While we cannot force anyone to accept the truth, we should continue preaching and teaching about it.

Barbara said...

Argh, now I need to wash the stupid from my eyes.

Faustina said...

No one, not even the Pope, has the power to keep anyone in the church.

Anonymous said...

I'm "... part of the problem." and proud of it! Yes, I am Catholic. While I know that I am supposed to pray for Annie, and those like her, I just want to say that I am tired of doing so! I don't want to!

Then I remember advice from a favorite priest (who, sadly, has since "slipped away"), "it's when you don't want to pray that you need to most". So here goes ...

Dear Father in Heaven ...

(and as I slip into this prayer I realize that it is for more than the improbable conversion of Annie and friends; it is just as much for me, that I do not fall into the same vileness and hatred she displays, and thus lose my own soul)

Faustina said...

Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.

Unknown said...

To all the people who continue to make this a women's health issue, stop being so sexist. I am more than my reproductive organs. My life does not revolve around contraception and pregnancy. I care more about my religious liberty, my Church, and my salvation. Perhaps, that is the part you just don't get.

Anonymous said...

Ms. Annie Laurie Gaylor, America has had legalized murder aka abortion aka since 1973 and it has brought us 56 million abortion murders. How about all the cafeteria judas catholics leave the church and subscribe to the bankrupt ny times ? We will end up with an orthodox catholic church and let's see if your anti-american, anti-religious pravda publication can avoid bankruptcy and the theft of american taxpayer dollars via bailout. Christi Fidelis

Don Baltazar said...

HAIL HOLY QUEEN
Mother of Mercy, Hail Our Life our Sweetness and Our Hope.

O Clement O Loving, O Sweet Virgin Mary!

Please make this true and let all the liberal fake Catholics leave the Church. Purify our Church Oh Lord! Send the Holy Spirit now and cleanse us to your Glory! We await the fire of your Holy Spirit oh Jesus. Thank you for this advertisement. Use it to REPAIR your church and free us from evil liberal Catholics!

job said...

It used to be said that in order to agree with the editorial policy of the New York Times one had to have had 'parents who were very broad-church (liberal) Episcopalians and at least one Jewish grandparent'. It seems that even this tenuous 'religious hook' has now disappeared. The NY Times seems to want to be the herald of 'rampant secularism' where 'anything goes'. It is for gross a-morality or even anti-morality as traditionally understood. This used to be called debauchery. It reminds one of the ancient Roman Empire before Christianity and the Christian martyrs.

Anonymous said...

Modernism and Liberalism is destroying the Church. Read what St. Pope Pius X and Pope Leo XIII have to say about modernism. The goal of "liberal Catholics" is to change and destroy orthodox teaching. They will never change and they will never be converted to the truth. Keeping them in the Church where they keep causing trouble is insane. Look at the damage all the liberal orders of nuns and priests have done. They have destroyed the faith of untold Catholic children by spreading their errors. And the failure of the bishops to stop heresy and correct it is a scandal for which they will be severley judged. To all those comments saying how awful it is to want liberals to leave are ridiculous. Open your eyes and face the truth that liberalism is destroying the faith. Here are the fruits of liberalism in todays Church: Masses celebrated with no dignity and reverence (most priests seem togo out of their way to be impious), total disbelief in the Real Precense (notice how nobody genuflects to the MSB anymore?, heresy taught in schools and colleges, Catholics believing that all religions are equal and true, Catholics 100% for abortion, empty convents and monateries, worldwide disobedience of entire religious orders (ex: Jesuits), pedophilia hidden and priests permitted to live filthy lives knowing they will not face and consequenses to their actions. The result of liberalism in the Church has been a wholesale loss of the faith. Things are so bad that "Catholics" no longer believe in the sacrament of Penance etc. What more does it take to open peoples eyes and see they complete and total destruction that liberalism is casuing. The whole has turned back to paganism again and sadly the Church is no longer the rock of truth the she always was. Enter any typical Catholic parish Church for Mass and you will find: irreverence, heresy being preached, Masses changed at the whims of silly priests and radical nuns, awful music, no sense of the sacred or of the 2000 years of tradition of the Church. When 100% of people attending Mass looking like rag pickers that is a sign of serious problems, it means they don't care. But then the majority of priests don't care so why should the people. They see the Church give big funerals to pro abortion "Catholics" like Ted Kennedey and see pro abortionists Pelosi and Biden receive Communion, the Church today is a scandal. The Church has rule book after rule book and dosen't follow one rule. Priests are permitted to live scandalous lives, preach heresy and NOTHING is done. Yet the Church disciplines a priest for correctly denying communion to a self proclaimed lesbian Buddist.....that right their perfectly shows what a wreck the Church is in. There has NEVER been a time in the history of the Church as bad as today (no not even when their were 3 "popes" at one time). The faith is almost totally dead and all do to liberalsim being permitted to go unchecked by the bishops. And the bishops are surprised that 99% of "Catholics" believe in contraception, maybe it's because you taught it was fine to believe that for the past 50 years.

Anonymous said...

Praying the rosary is a wonderful defense to such an evil call to sin as this. Faithfully and reverently prayed, it always leads one to the Truth. Saint Pio called it his "weapon." Let us take it up and may it lead us to victory in Christ Jesus, who dearly loves His mother and listens to her pleas for her children.

Mike, the servant said...

This illogical tirade might actually be laughable, except my favorite teacher, Sr. Mary of the Rosary, used to caution us, when some kid would act up in class, "Don't laugh at him, children, pray for him." I don't want to see anyone lost, including Ms. Gaylor. While railing against the so-called anti-woman bent of the Church, she ignores pro choice folks stamping on and stamping out the lives of millions of women who would be born, but are denied that opportunity for capricious, specious reasons at best, and unjustifiable reasons, in reality. Like too many Catholics, she is not even cognizant of what Catholic theology actually teaches and of the Church's profound love and respect for women. In reply to the logician in an earlier post, I have begun to feel that before anyone gets out of high school, he or she should have had a course in principles of reasoning. I see so many logical holes in the arguments and rantings of our politicians and pundits, a la Ms. Gaylor, which holes would be painfully clear if the general populace were trained in logical processes,which incidentally frequently supersede "common sense". Finally, for those Libertarians and completely orthodox (small "o") Catholics who want to see all of the "riff raff" cleared out of the Church. These are the very riff raff that Jesus calls "lost sheep" . In John 15, Jesus says, "No servant is greater than his master." If Jesus wants "that all may be one, Father, even as You and I are one"., who are we not to want everybody. Jesus didn't give up, why should we faithful Catholics? Don't laugh at her, pray for her--and for us!

Anonymous said...

It's quite obvious that the time has come for Bishops and priests to begin catechizing Catholics from the pulpit. Instead of speaking "fluff" in homilies, please consider some valid teachings of the Catholic faith, because truly so many in the congregation have no idea what the Church really teaches. If more were informed, perhaps there would be less sin and more going to confession. It doesn't take a Philadelphia lawyer to see there are perhaps a majority of Catholics who don't know the teachings of the Catholic faith. Therefore, they follow the law of the land and do whatever feels good. Please wake up, clergy and shepherd us!!!

Anonymous said...

While reading the NYT's ad, I kept thinking that they sounded like they are running scared that voters might listen to the Church.

Mike, the servant said...

Voters listen to the Church? Next thing you'll want is Catholics listening to the Church. Preposterous! What do you want, a loving world actually listening to and practicing the message of Jesus Christ? That might actually bring peace, order, and harmony to this completely "perfect" world. Heaven forbid that we get THAT!!!

Unknown said...

No surprise here folks. Arty Sulzberger, Jr of the renowned NY Sultzbergers reportedly took in $52,000 to run this screed against me and 65 million other American Catholics. Business is business. This dope has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by leading NYT from $25/share to $6 ish. Last year he managed a $40 million loss while giving the ousted Manager of his family company $24 million in lieu of a watch. Note the deafening silence from our Muslim, Jewish and other brothers about this ad. Raymond in Ct.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice that the advertisement in the Times has a TOLL FREE NUMBER you can call? It doesn't say you have to call to SUPPORT the ad.
You can call the Number and PROTEST the ad to or call and just say SORRY WRONG NUMBER and hang up. Every call costs this group money. I'm not suggesting repeatedly dialing the number or doing anything to harass the group but you could call and say that you are a faithful practicing Roman Catholic and that you are calling to say that you are staying in the Church, thank you very much. The number in the coupon is:

1-800-335-4021

Anonymous said...

I haven't read anything that spittle-spattered and foaming-at-the-mouth since the speeches of Goebbels. Well, Annie, if you think that your piece of hateful propaganda is going to convince any THINKING Catholic ("nominal", "liberal", or otherwise), you are in for a big surprise, missy. Perhaps some rebellious third-graders will follow you, though...

Mike, the servant said...

Thank you very much. I just made the call. Everybody please remember the oft quoted and absolutely true statement, "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Be blessed

Anonymous said...

They can rightfully beat us up over the pedophile issues in the Church the last few decades. But when they try to tell us to pull our kids out of parochial schools for 'safe' public schools. Um, have you SEEN the numbers of teachers having sex with their students lately? And the constant teachings for acceptance of and conversion to the homosexual lifestyle?

charmaine said...

Me too, Katherine. I love my home.

SueW said...

Amen!!! I think liberal Catholic is an oxymoron. One priest said in his homily today, "I pity the fool who takes on Jesus and the Catholic church...where are the Third Reich, Caesar's Rome et al? DEAD and the Catholic church is still here, a beacon of light!". Liberals LEAVE the church...join your evil supporting friends, counterfeit Catholics who support evil and see what it gets for you...

Prolife and Catholic and proud of it!!!

K Davis said...

I just called the number on Sunday afternoon and someone actually answered. I spoke with him for about 10 minutes and the conversation was so circular I think I'm dizzy now...Anyway, he ended up hanging up on me because I was taking him away from his valuable time. Perhaps I irritated him by pointing out that the Church has lasted 2000 years for a reason...certainly it will be around longer than FFR! But he didn't leave before telling me (at least 6 times) how ashamed I should be for being a Catholic woman saying "you are smarter than that"...I seem to remember the serpent saying something like that to Eve...

Anonymous said...

Truth hurts a little?

But God wants us all; even those in need of conversion. We all are sinners. Some of us have not discovered the Truth.

Please, God, accept my apology for my contribution to the brokeness of your Church.
Amen

Anonymous said...

Amen

Anonymous said...

Amen again!
These are not our enemies! They are merely duped! Let us pray for all who attempt to do harm to us. Let us pray for Gods peace when they do harm us. Let us return hate with love. Heavenly Father help us!

Anonymous said...

The good news is The Church will NEVER be destroyed!

Anonymous said...

Ha ha ha ha ha ha !

Anonymous said...

The woman who wrote this states that "The Church that hasn’t persuaded you to oppose contraception now wants to use the force of secular law to deny contraceptive rights to non-Catholics." This is an out and out lie. The Church is not trying to deny anyone their so-called "contraceptive rights". They just cannot be the provider of these things as it is against Church teachings. This woman is an hysterical idiot.

1 Smart Mother said...

" Join those of us who put humanity above dogma."
Is she serious? Is she blind? Their dogma is killing human babies.
God help us all!

Anonymous said...

If she doesnt like what the church teaches we will pray for her but theres the door. She can be an episcapalian. As Catholics all we need to do is lovingly tell the truth I wish her the best but she is leading others down the road to sin. She should be excomunicated.

Anonymous said...

I say bye, bye Liberals and Nominal Catholics, you are just baggage anyway!

Pared down and focused, the Roman Catholic Church of the future!

enness said...

I mourn for anyone who leaves the Church -- *to a point.*

'I wish you were either hot or cold. Because you are lukewarm, I will spit you out of my mouth...'

TtT Engine said...

Consider the source. This morally and financially bankrupt NY Slimes published American Troop locations in the Iraq War. That is the level of moral depravity of this pathetic Pravda rag. Go to grass Judas Catholics and NY Slimes ! The Washington Times, now that's a conservative American Publication !! Christi Fidelis

Anonymous said...

Praying for our Lord's mercy to be poured out upon all of humanity. Maureen

Anonymous said...

As much as this ad bothers me, and it does - so do these comments saying "good riddance you Cafeteria Catholic you."

Are you serious?

This letter isn't meant as some kind of generous invitation to those members of our faith who disagree or don't really understand Church teaching, etc. It doesn't say come leave your crusty church and join "our forgiving, loving church where you'll be welcomed with open arms."

It is meant to "expose" our so-called rotten church. It is full of lies and is an insult to all of us. It's clearly saying "throw out the baby with the bathwater," and is signed by and paid for for by an organized group of atheists and agnostics.

Whether nominal, liberal, cafeteria, traditional, faithful, questioning or holier than thou - our Catholic brothers and sisters deserve our prayers for a united Church. Don't drink this kool-aid.

Kristine in MI

Anonymous said...

“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
― Fulton J. Sheen
It appears many Catholics may not even know what the Catholic church is, well its a good time to teach them.
"The Church is not an association that wishes to promote a certain cause. It is not about a cause. It is about the person of Jesus Christ."
- Pope Benedict XVI, July 1, 2008
His Holiness also said he would prefer a faithful church over a large one. I couldnt find the exact quote but I believe it was on his tour of England. I think we should help our poorly informed brothers and sisters in the church to understand what it does mean to be a Catholic, and then they need to decide . For many their faith is a tradition, a habit, a cultural identity, and they are not evangelized. Time for us to get to work!

Anonymous said...

Annie,
It sounds like you have writen a letter right off the lips of the evil one himself. I do hope you are proud of it, I know what I am proud of is your parents choosing life and not your evil lies. And this is the thanks they get for it a love letter composed by satan.

I will be praying for you I hope you repent of your evil ways and come home to us. We will be waiting for you.

Love,
A Roman Catholic.

Anonymous said...

Jesus once told his disciples "If the world hates you, remember that the world hated me first. If you belonged to the world, then the world would love you like it loves its own people. But I have chosen you out of the world. So you don't belong to the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the lesson I told you: A servant is not greater than his master. If people did wrong to me, then they will do wrong to you too. And if people obeyed my teaching, then they will obey yours too." - John 15: 18-20. So what we have is a choice, to be in the world, but not of the world - that is what a faithful Roman Catholic is being called to do. Are you in?

Janine said...

And the serpent fed Eve a line about how she would be like God with power for good, to give life, or for evil, to deny life, whichever was more convenient for her. Eve thought this would make her happy, so she believed the serpent. Then she fed the line to Adam, her husband, and he wanted to be happy, too. So pain and sorrow, death and darkness entered the world.
Thanks be to God for the life of grace found, alive and well, in the Catholic Church.

Anonymous said...

On the silly condom/umbrella comparison: I've heard the better comparison (oft used by frat boys who want to proverbially have their cake and eat it too) of likening condom use to the unnaturalness of wearing a raincoat when you're taking a shower.

Matt R said...

Instead we quit the NYT! Or as Fr Z likes to call it, Hell's Bible. Not much of a loss, though I think they have better sports coverage...

Lanny said...

I totally do not understand religion in general and the catholic religion specifically. There is nothing greater in the universe than yourself. It is up to you, the individual to live a good, moral life unfettered by superstition and fear of being eternally punished by an unhappy father figure. Most religions only have the father and the son to contend with but the catholics have an additional fear factor in the pope. I renounced this silliness a long time ago for all that is wrong with mind controlling beliefs not just the one that wants to control your sex life.

American Reader said...

If this advertisement had been about Islam instead of about the Catholic Church, then the Imams would be on TV declaring their outrage, the author would be receiving death threats, and Obama would be shaking his head about the intolerance and Islam-ophobia and once again apologizing to the world for the United States of America.
The way women are treated under Islam and the way women are treated under Catholicism are like night and day, but little Annie Laurie Gaylor and the so-called Freedom From Religion Foundation are ignorant about that.

Timster said...

I once heard the president of Notre Dame University say that Catholics are "politically homeless" and I do believe it is true. The Church is pro-life, which makes her a control freak who wants to make women do things against their will, in some opinions. The Catholic Church is also in favor of social justice, including helping the poor, and being pro-workers' rights, which makes her a dirty socialist-communist in other opinions.

This is why voting is one of the most difficult things I do, and why I'm thankful that I only have to do it every couple of years.

Lee H said...

For those of us who Believe, no explanation is necessary, for those who do not, none is possible.

Anonymous said...

Apparently nearly all Catholic women use contraception at some point in their lives, their abortion rates are comperable to others too. When I was a child, most Catholic families were large; now they are the are about average. The rhythm method has not become reliable! It's time for honesty!

Casey Truelove said...

I just posted a response to the ad, and linked here. Thought you would want to know. Thanks CMR!
http://procaritateveritatis.blogspot.com/2012/03/ss-ergorp.html

Anonymous said...

I find it very amusing that atheists fight so hard against someone who they do not even believe exists. God. They sure are strange.

Mike R. said...

Just a question; why is speaking against abortion, gay rights, Judaism and Islam considered HATE speech by Liberal Media, Government and Hollywood, but it is
NOT when blaspheming the Catholic Church? Double standards and hypocrites are why our country is going to hell in a handbasket. Makes me proud also to be Roman Catholic.

Lawrence said...

It is time that the liberals and nominal Catholics leave of their own free will. They are probably only Catholics on paper anyway. Like the parable of the prodigal son tells us, the Father is a welcoming Father when they decide to return in the future. So the numbers of Catholics will shrink, then so be it. If they leave then we will be able to build from a solid foundation.

Anonymous said...

Religions are like penises...
It's fine to have one.
It's fine to be proud of it.
But don't wave it around in public,
And please don't shove it down our children's throats.

PS: Speaking against abortion, gay rights, Judaism ("God's people" according to the Bible, BTW) and Islam is considered HATE speech because it is. If you actually read what Jesus said, you would know that. Do ANY of you actually READ the Bible? Or do you just follow whatever party line you are fed? Use the brain God gave you, please. My faith in humanity is dwindling.

PPS: I KNOW the mind of God. Does that bother you? Good. Now rethink your own argument that YOU know the mind of God...and then calculate how unthinkably arrogant you are. I'll just step out of the way of the lightening while you sort that out.

Anonymous said...

"Knowledge consists in understanding the evidence that establishes the fact, not in the belief that it is a fact."
Carl T. Sprading

Unknown said...

Hey loving Catholics. I thought we were called to not judge, 'lest we be judged' or talk about the 'speck in our brother's eye, ignoring the plank in our own.' What do you imagine Jesus would be saying to the lost souls on the edge of Catholicism. I believe He would sweep them up in his arms for He said, 'I came to call sinners, not just the virtuous' Let's be aware of the sins of complacency and self-righteousness. I truly believe the Lord would have us pray for them, not 'kick them out as so much baggage.' I was once a serious sinner and know so clearly the Lord of a forgiving, compassionate and merciful God who, Praise God, did not leave me on a dungheap of sin and self-destruction but loved and encouraged me back to real life in the Catholic Church. These souls are our brothers and sisters. PRAY FOR THEM as others have prayed for us. Perhaps we can make their revival to full Christianity and deliverance from lukewarmness one of our Lenten intentions. God bless us all

Anonymous said...

Annie doesn't know what she's talking about and shouldn't rave on about what she doesn't understand. She is grossly misinformed. All people are free to make their own moral choices, whether good or bad and will someday be judged based on them. However, I don't want to to be forced to pay for services that go against my conscience. Our country was founded on religious freedom -- that's why our forefathers came to this country. Sadly, however, this country is quickly deteriorating into paganism.

Anonymous said...

Sadly, this is the kind of division and hate that has been ushered in by Barack Obama. We cannot afford four more years.

Anonymous said...

Please stop engaging in a war you will eventually loose. Truth prevails all the time and the Catholic church as a custodian of truth as revealed by Christ will always triumph. Stop stirring up inordinate sentiments in feeble minds.be careful and don't lead people astray. And know this: the Church is solely for the promotion of the entirety of human and that is why She can't comprise otherwise for her founder Jesus Christ didn't comprise His values at all. Yes Obama may have comprised but it is never an option for a highly morally-minded body like the one,holy and apostolic roman catholic church

Anonymous said...

Well, anyone who cites Bertrand Russell is already outside the flock. By the way, the "ignorant" men and women who started the Church include Jesus and the Apostles, those "foolish" men and women who gave their lives that all may live.

The Vicar of Christ, the Chair of Peter, LIVES. With all charity, and the hope that Mr. Russell receives all of God's mercy, I cannot help but point out that Russell is dead--God lives! So does His Holy Church.

Having said that, I am reluctant to encourage the doubting to leave the Church. I would prefer they stay, attend Mass regularly, pray the Rosary, seek Divine Mercy and repent. This is actually true for all of us as none of us is without sin. We all hope that we may be "created" as the Holy Spirit renews the face of the earth. So, too, must we encourage the wayward to find the truth of Christ--this is one of the Acts of Mercy which we are all called to perform. And we should ask God to be merciful to all.

This is what makes us the "True Light of the World." As our Lord tells us in today's Gospel, we must abide in the light, not the darkness.

Anonymous said...

I do not like being anonymous but can't figure out how to profile???

Marcie in Canada said...

I guess it's time we roll up our sleeves!
We are converts since 2005 and have never looked back, thanking God for the 3 children we have had (so far) since our conversion. We already had three and if it wasn't for the Church, we would have never welcomed three MORE souls here! How profound and incredibly beautiful is the Holy Mother Church. There's a wind a blowin'!

SkiOne said...

Who are you to tell me whether or not I am a "true" catholic or not. Beliefs are deeply personal and can not be judged by anyone especially by non-believers. I support my church even though I disagree with some of the doctrine. Are you a true democrat if you believe in fiscal conservatism or reform in entitlements? This has to be the single biggest piece of malarkey I have ever read on the subject.

Anonymous said...

Catholics worship God and pray to Mary as an intercessor. She was the woman who brought Jesus to us the first time and He loves His mother do much that He will never ignore her pleas on our behalf.

Anonymous said...

Every time something like this happens, I feel so lucky to have been born a Catholic. I have certainly had my ups and downs with my faith, but up always persevered. I guess I have a smidgeon of what the early Christians had, at least I hope and pray that is the case. What is going on in this society today, abortion, birth control, porn, pushing homosexuality, all things that bring down a society is scary in itself, but Jesus promised He will win and I believe Him.

Anonymous said...

I hope you faithful catholics are observing Lent in a spirit of true repentance, and praying your rosary, in reparation for such vehement blasphemy contained in that ad. We want our misguided, gravely-in-danger brethren to be saved, not lost. Stand beside your bishops and hold up their arms like Aaron and Hur did for Moses in the battle against the Amalekites. Amen.

Anonymous said...

The government or the catholic church should not dictate whether a woman or man should use contraception. I'm catholic and am pro choice meaning no on entity (government or church) should tell me how to live my married life. If 99.99 % of couples choose not to use contraception than that is "their choice".
Birney
Plymouth

Anonymous said...

Looks like I picked the perfect time to convert to Catholicism.

Anonymous said...

Was going to send my response to Ann Gaylor, but decided against it. T'would only fall on deaf ears anyways. So I'll share it here...

Parachutes are like minds(and hearts), they don't work unless they're open. Ann, please re-consider purchasing future ads like the one you just published in the NYTimes. It's a waste of money because while lies are easy to strain, the truth is unrestrainable. And divine hearts and minds know the difference.

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