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Hitting Bottom

I can't help but think that America is now like your brother who can't keep a job, drinks too much, is constantly asking for money, and oh, has a crazy bad addiction that's destroying his life.

You tried just lending him money every time he promised to go straight but he just ain't gonna' do it. At some point you accept that he's going to have to hit bottom. You don't know what bottom looks like but you know that he's racing towards it. It might be jail, death, brain damage. Nobody knows. But at some point he'll hear the thud and wake up face first in a pool of his own vomit and he'll have to make the decision to turn over and get back up or just die.

And that's where America is heading. This country is going to have to go absolutely bankrupt and hit bottom before it starts getting better. This country is borrowing money from children that they're killing in the womb in record numbers. That, is not a recipe for success.

And of the children that we do have, many of them are being born into single parent homes where their chances of spending some time in jail are increased while their economic outlook is severely diminished.

For too many years we slept. Maybe we saw it coming, maybe we just suspected that everything was going to hell.

Leftists have taken over our education establishment, giving them firm control over what our children learn (unless you homeschool or have a great Catholic or private school). The left has long controlled the media and therefore control what people hear about current events. So think about it, they have control over the teaching of history and the present.

And why didn't we think we were going to be routed? And what did we do to prevent this? We talked about school choice but got weak kneed when the fight got bloody. We snarked about the media and congratulated ourselves on how many interesting and funny ways we tweeted that Chris Matthews was stupid. Here's the thing, pretty much everyone in the media agrees with him. It's an MSNBC media. Some just hide it a little better.

If you want to understand the true power of the media, this election is a prime example. The media propped up a corrupt and egotistical ideologue throughout this entire campaign. They ignored Solyndra. They ignored Benghazi. They covered up the economic ruin we were inviting on ourselves. Sure, FoxNews and the new media have hurt the media establishment but what the MSM showed in this election is that we can snark it up all we want, they've got one hand firmly on the levers of power and the other around our throats.

But here's the thing. I've gotten to the point now where I'm thinking about the fact that I have five kids, a wonderful wife, and a good parish. My life is good and full of love. We try to give to charity and work with a home for unwed mothers. We'll continue with these things. I'm focusing on what I can do in my life. I'll continue to write and work but I know where this country is heading.

I know where the country is going. I'm not going there and neither is my family. The Church will continue to exist whatever happens to this country. The country's barreling downwards and when it hits bottom it's going to explode like shrapnel. My job is to protect my family from the flying pieces. And then we'll start gathering the pieces.

The only good news in all this is that I think that we'll hit bottom awfully quick because we're heading there awfully fast.

*subhead*Pieces.*subhead*

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58 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm a Bills fan and that's the same analogy I use for my time.

Hopelessness, ineptitude, bad decision-making. Despair (in the Bills case with Ralph Wilson being old and a great possibility of the team just leaving, the US getting more and more socially liberal and colder to each other) But I love them and I love my country. I just don't like where either are right now.

Anonymous said...

Use for my team I should say

Anonymous said...

Posts like this from you and your brother really do make you both sound like whiney little wimps. I cannot stress this enough: Catholicism is not a religion for wimps. We fight the good fight and we continue to do so regardless of who currently occupies the whitehouse. Nothing has changed between yesterday and today. We still have a Democratic president with a Republican controlled senate and a good number of Catholics on the Supreme Court. Wipe your nose, pull up your panties and either get in the game or stop whining.

August said...

"a good number of Catholics on the Supreme Court"

But not any number of good Catholics...
Come on, most Catholics in America are too Americanist to be Catholic. Here is a test- The Austro-Hungarian Empire- a Catholic empire- an empire American Catholics should have backed because they were legit- at least as legit as a government could be. Instead most Americans were all for 'democracy', nationalism, and Wilson's silly policies. If you don't understand that one, go read up on it until you figure it out. That area is still experiencing conflict because of that silliness.

We've already bottomed out, it is merely becoming obvious.

Anonymous said...

August I have yet to see how Alito and Scalia are not good Catholics. Can you provide a concrete example to the contrary? Even Sotomayor sided with pro-life groups the one time abortion came under her ruling. More belly-aching without concrete facts is frankly what caused this mess.

Nathan said...

We have to realize we simply don’t live in the same culture that Americans did 50, or even 20, years ago. In fact, the country has been drifting to the left for the last 100 yrs. 50 years ago conservatives opposed no fault divorce and liberals supported it. Now both groups support it, with liberals pushing for gay “marriage” and conservatives opposing it. 50 yrs ago the fight was over the legalization of abortion. Now both parties (neither McCain nor Romney were staunchly pro-life) accept abortion (at least in cases of rape, incest, and life of the mother) and fight over things like informed consent and mandatory ultrasounds. The same holds true for economic issues. Conservatives in the 1920’s would consider the Republican Party platform of 2012 to be socialist. As things continue to drift leftward “conservatives” stake out positions on the “right” that would have been leftist a generation or two before. The only solution, as far as I can tell, is to evangelize the culture and radically transform it into a republic dedicated to Christ the King. We need to transform the culture, the politics will follow.

Anonymous said...

To borrow a quote from Jean Luc Picard (STNG):

"I wonder if the Emperor Honorius watching the Visigoths coming over the seventh hill truly realized that the Roman Empire was about to fall. This is just another page in history, isn't it? Will this be the end of *our* civilization? Turn the page."

mtmom said...

my very smart sixteen year old was optimistic...."great. we can let them contracept themselves out of existence now!" would that it would happen sooner than later!

rueschmike said...

Actually the Democrats control the Senate, the Republicans control the House.

Dutch said...

Nathan is right- democracy is a failed experiment. Majority rule ends up with everyone looking at maximizing their own pleasure. There is no desire to for greatness when the mob is ruling.

Anonymous said...

To be honest, the republicans, conservatives and 3rd party people should be kinda happy the Democrats won.

Do any of you realize the economic catastrophe that is coming in a few years?

In the end, as with the collapse of Rome in the west, something else, something glorious will come out of it in the end. And, of course, Holy Mother Church will be there, as always.

it's not the end of the world people. It's not even close.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

Bloggers like Mark Shea, Erin Manning and Tom from "Disputations" cover themselves in no honor when they take the position that voting for either Obama or Romney means "Colluding with Evil." In real life -- not in the increasingly esoteric, antiseptic world of Catholic "moral theology" -- people have to make choices between unappealing alternatives. Moreover, we have a moral responsibility to make such choices if they are the only ones available to us, or to fight for something better. Mark, Erin and Tom did no such thing. All they did was bellyache. Well, I hope they're satisfied.

Anonymous said...

Joseph, that is your opinion. But it is dismissed. Voting for a pro-abortion candidate of any stripe is colluding with evil.

Allison in AK said...

Thank you Matt (Pat?), especially the final few paragraphs.

Sherry Antonetti said...

Prayer and Fasting. The only solution we haven't exhausted, is to battle with spiritual means what is a spiritual battle.

Dave P. said...

Joe:

IIRC, you live in California, which has become a de facto one party state. I don't know if I would have voted for Romney if I was a CA resident. Maybe I would have stayed home, or voted Constitution Party in protest. (For the record, I did vote for Romney. I thought he had a chance here in Wisconsin. It turned out otherwise...at least the GOP still has both houses of the state legislature...).

My question to you is this (and this is in a spirit of inquiry, and taking no one's side): how does one fight when the odds are unbelievable stacked against one's favor? You live in a state in which the GOP is a non-factor in Sacramento, and any changes unapproved by the liberal elite are overturned by a rogue judiciary (state and federal). My state has a Republican governor and legislature, but the liberals find judges to stall laws they don't like, and they find ways to stonewall reform on the local level. Also, there's no guarantee that they won't return to the shenanigans of 2011...

Maybe it's the moment, but like our esteemed hose, I'm not seeing any way out of this right now, or even if it's worth fighting...

Richard said...

My FB post from this morning:

"236 years ago our fathers attempted to bring "forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal." They failed. They left their children to deal with the evil scourge of slavery, sexism, and religious inequalities. And, as we have made the long hard climb out of that failure, we have failed again to stand up for rights of every human being. With plentiful excuses, we allow children to be slaughtered by the millions. We begin, again, to violate individual and religious liberties. We are still on our way down. We have not, yet, begun to climb out of the new hole we have dug for ourselves. I cannot predict whether we ever will. But, like an early abolitionist, I can only stand up at every opportunity for the rights of every human being until they are all protected."

c matt said...

The media propped up a corrupt and egotistical ideologue throughout this entire campaign

Campaign?!? More like throughout his entire tenure.

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Anonymous said...

Sad to see the RCC being torn apart by politics. I voted Obama. I vote Democrat. If you think Republicans are pro-life, you're deluding yourself. They love war, fund war and have made NO ROADS in Roe vs Wade. Poor people have nothing, the rich rob us blind and we are supposed to sit here and argue. It's sad. The pattern of time was finished by Christ long before the world ever heard of Obama, Romney, or even the USA. Defend the unborn? Absolutely. But it DOESN'T end there and sadly, too many Catholics have abandoned the LIVING poor and innocent.

Brent said...

"I know where the country is going. I'm not going there and neither is my family."

Well said! We can't always control what happens in the world, but we can control how we respond to it. Whatever comes my way will test and strengthen my character, not change or weaken it.

To paraphrase Rocky Balboa, "Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows. It will beat you to your knees and keep you there if you let it. But life's not about how hard you can hit, but how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done!"

Dave P. said...

Good heavens...I meant "unbelievably stacked" and "esteemed host". Apologies for the typos.

Matthew Ogden said...

I love how in the wake of this disgusting debacle, more people are finally seeing the non-future of the United States. For my part, I've taken to saying lately: "My kingdom is not of this world." I am first and foremost a subject of Christ, the king of the universe; and then later, maybe, if I decide upon it, a citizen of the United States: a country with a long history of hating my Church and my fellow Catholics.

Regardless of who was elected (There's two of them? Could have fooled me!), this country is in absolute freefall. But remember this: the persecution of the Church is just one symptom of a much bigger destruction taking place. Why, just look at the national debt! Point, set, and match. The Church is like the man who tries to stop a suicidal man from killing himself and gets coldcocked in the process. But if the suicidal man wants to kill himself, he's really going to do it and no one can stop him. That's the United States for you. Brace for impact. There's a good possibility we won't have a country left by the time of the next election.

culbreath said...

Let me take this opportunity to beat a drum I've been beating for years: it doesn't have to be this way. All that is needed is a geographical region with just a few million good guys willing to stand up and resist, to call the bluff of the powers that be. A region, a place. We're not after utopia here, just a lifeboat.

Mari said...

Anon @7:15pm

Of course defending the unborn is not the end of our charity ... but it has to be the *beginning.* Try reading "Evangelium Vitae" where Bd. Pope John Paul explains why promoting abortion undermines society faster than anything else.

Also, are you seriously expecting a R president / Senate / House to overturn Roe v. Wade? If not, your comment on that doesn't make sense. If you mean they have done nothing to fight abortion, you are again wrong. They passed and signed the partial-birth abortion ban, which led to the Supreme Court upholding an actual restriction on abortion for the first time since Roe. The justices in the majority were appointed by Republican presidents. While it could be argued that that ban in itself saves no lives, it has made possible further state-level laws such as ones prohibiting abortions on babies old enough to feel pain. Lots more could be said. Check out NRLC's website as an easy place to start.

Your comments about Republicans are also full of prejudice. How can you judge their hearts and know that they don't care about the poor? FWIW, I used to think like you: that Repubs were right on abortion, but Dems on helping the poor. I've come to realize that this is simply not true. They simply have different approaches -- and I could easily argue that the R- party is better on that as well. Another item you might look up is the "Moynihan Report" in which Sen. Pat Moynihan (D-NY) predicted how welfare would result in the breakdown of the black family, with generational poverty resulting.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

Several points:

The Church is like the man who tries to stop a suicidal man from killing himself and gets coldcocked in the process.

The Church coldcocked itself a long time ago when it sacrificed its spiritual patrimony on the altar of institutional arrogance, a sense of institutional entitlement, political power, wealth and secular influence. Let's not forget about Cdl. Dolan's bucket of yucks w/Pres. Obama (a lot of good that did, huh?) and Pope Benedict's refusal to discipline Cdl. Wuerl for refusing to implement Canon 915 in the Archdiocese of D.C.

Also, let's not forget that the bishops supported ObamaCare before they opposed it.

...too many Catholics have abandoned the LIVING poor and innocent.

Not the least of whom are the bishops and Vatican themselves. They talk a great game but do nothing! Individual dioceses and parishes might be poor but the Vatican itself is wealthy, given its international investments. How much of that money does it give back to the parishes and dioceses it claims to serve?

Anonymous said...

"I know where the country is going. I'm not going there and neither is my family. The Church will continue to exist whatever happens to this country. The country's barreling downwards and when it hits bottom it's going to explode like shrapnel. My job is to protect my family from the flying pieces."

Well, Matt, the best way to protect you and yours from the devastation that is going to engulf this country is to not be here when it happens.

Where to go? This link can give you some ideas. NOTE: I claim dibs on the Irish cottage for $150,000!

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

Dave P., I voted for Romney, regardless of this state's political condition. To assume that a devout Mormon would have the same view of abortion as a devout Catholic is ridiculous. I don't expect any president to do anything about abortion.

Besides, when it comes to abortion, Catholics are like liberals regarding welfare: They expect the government to do everything.

Well, why don't the bishops show some spine on the issue when it's not an election year? Why doesn't the pope show some spine and discipline Cdl. Wuerl for refusing to implement Canon 915 in the Archdiocese of D.C.? Why didn't Opus Dei build a clinic and residence for pregnant women who want to have their babies in New York instead of a large dormitory for its lay numeraries?

Because they care more about political power than they do about their stated values.

As far as your other question goes, I suggest you read about the Battle of Britain, the first three years of the Civil War before Antetam, and the first three years of WWII before Stalingrad. That should answer it.

I plan to fight with my mind and with my computer keyboard. If you don't think trying to change the direction of this country is worth the effort, then get the Hell out of the way for those of us who do!!!

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

Come on, most Catholics in America are too Americanist to be Catholic. Here is a test- The Austro-Hungarian Empire- a Catholic empire- an empire American Catholics should have backed because they were legit- at least as legit as a government could be. Instead most Americans were all for 'democracy', nationalism, and Wilson's silly policies. If you don't understand that one, go read up on it until you figure it out. That area is still experiencing conflict because of that silliness.

August, my father fought for this nation in WWII. He and millions of his fellows from that generation fought for liberty. He was a devout Catholic until his death.

Your comment about "Americanism" is the conservative side of the attitude displayed by spoiled children who take for granted -- and, thus, fail to appreciate -- what their forebears earned for them.

And you are seriously suggesting that American Catholics support a Catholic empire nearly 100 years ago in a European conflict? Why? Merely out of religious groupthink? You think the conflicts to which you allude wouldn't have happened if the Treaty of Versailles never was concluded?

You are not only spoiled; you are ignorant.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

Joseph, that is your opinion. But it is dismissed. Voting for a pro-abortion candidate of any stripe is colluding with evil.

Anonymous (great name, by the way; where did you get it?), to expect a devout Mormon to have the same view on abortion as a devout Catholic is patently ridiculous. At the very least, Romney is not nearly the carnivore that Obama is on the issue; as a state Senator in Illinois, Obama opposed a bill that would have allowed abortions in the third trimester.

However, "Catholics" like you, Mark Shea, Erin Manning and Tom from "Disputations" are so infatuated with your hi-falutin, esoteric, antiseptic ideas that you would gladly use them as a facade for your own moral (or, should I say, immoral) ennui, as you did in this campaign. Well, if you're so angry about abortion, what are you doing to hold your own bishop's feet to the fire?

Because people like you and they would rather look right than do right. The problem with your "interpretation" of "Catholic moral teaching" (which, I have learned, is an oxymoron) is that it denies a fundamental reality: People often have to choose between unpleasant alternatives. The fact that the alternatives are unpleasant does not relieve them of making a choice, even if it's for a better alternative not yet in view. Yet too many Catholics use abortion as an excuse not to make a choice, especially when one of the choices is so obviously abhorent.

When you get to meet God, I'm sure billions of unborn babies will thank you for your moral (or is that immoral?) "consistency."

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

BTW, this critique of Shea comes from one I.M. Forman on Shea's blog. It fits all too many Catholics:

How high and above it all we are. Can’t sully your hands to vote against Obama to try to protect our church from the HHS mandate. Your aloofness doesn’t excuse you from protecting your church. Not voting against Obama says alot more about you than it does about Mitt Romney. You have sat out this one when your church needed you. Only one of two people were going to win the election and you knew that. Your excuses are lame. Talk is cheap. At least I voted for someone that would have worked for protecting religious liberty – you (abdicated) that responsibility , especially if you voted for a third party candidate that had no shot of victory. Not exactly the Church Militant, aren’t we?



Joseph D'Hippolito said...

One final thing: Mark Shea loves neither his country nor his church. He's nothing but a mouthpiece for Iranian interests.

Don't believe me? Then read this:

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/joseph-hippolito/a-catholic-writers-propaganda-for-iran/

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/joseph-hippolito/a-catholic-writers-propaganda-for-iran/

Dave Pawlak said...

Joe:

Thanks for answering my question.

As far as your other question goes, I suggest you read about the Battle of Britain, the first three years of the Civil War before Antetam, and the first three years of WWII before Stalingrad. That should answer it.

I am very familiar with that history - my parents had an extensive library on both the Civil War and WWII...but I think the enemy this time around has a different quality. We have a whole generation of "men without chests",taught "critical thinking" as a way of avoiding how to think altogether. Hearts and minds are the battlefields, and the wall of ignorance is formidable. It can be done (my wife is an example), but for it's still daunting.

If you don't think trying to change the direction of this country is worth the effort, then get the Hell out of the way for those of us who do!!!

Do I want to fight? Yes. Like our esteemed host, I'm going to fight through my family. I've got two boys (5 and 3), and another child coming. If I can make them into Christians and gentleman (or lady, as #3 is still undetermined), I'll count it a victory (Psalm 127:3-5).

40 Days For Life Campaigner/ Church in Need supporter said...

Joseph you are not only a hypocrite but you are morally contemptable. I volunteer every year at 40 Days for Life as well as one overseas trip a year to a mission our family sponsors through Aid to the church in need. We are not rich people, but we work hard and do what we can. Romney was pro-abortion when it suited his need, and only switched once he realized he had larger ambitions beyond MA and wouldn't get the backing of weak-minded people like you who refuse to think rationally. I don't object to your choice for voting for him; I object to your idiocy and hypocrisy in trying to sooth YOUR guilty conscience by attacking others who weighted the decision very heavily and chose to abstain from what we feel is colluding with evil.

You would do well to shove the biggest object you can find into any and all bodily orafices of yours which are causing you to exhibit the deadly sins of pride and wrath and bearing false witness by calling my and like minded thinkers (operative word) who after praying, fasting and wrestling over our decisions as "moral ennui", because from what you've written so far, you don't seem to be at all concerned with morality. How morally and ethically reprehensible for you to even bring up meeting murdered babies in heaven (God bless and keep them) so flippantly. Do you have no soul?

Philadelphia Catholic Outsider said...

Hey Anonymous, aren't the babies in the womb "LIVING"? If they're not, why does the abortionist have to kill them? You know Obama voted four times to deny legal protection even to babies outside the womb, if they were alive because the abortionist failed to kill them? I've just lived through a week of Obama commercials saying how much he loves abortion, at any time during the pregnancy, and always paid for by tax dollars. Planned Parenthood paid millions to get him re-elected. Liberal Catholics ALWAYS vote for whichever candidate the abortionists support. Then they write these stupid comments about how they are really pro-life. You don't convince us. I think you do it to try to convince yourself, but you no more succeed than Lady Macbeth gets her hands clean.

Your excuse is that baby-killing politicians say they care about the poor. Government spends a trillion dollars a year on people in poverty. That's $60,000 a year per poor household, enough to get them out of poverty. Why don't the poor actually get the money? Liberal bureaucrats intercept the money and spend it on themselves. The poor get the crumbs left over after the liberal bureaucrats take what they want. Every liberal bureaucrat would always rather hire a new lackey bureaucrat to make feel him more important, and to insulate him even more from poor people, instead of spending the money on the poor. People who care about the poor give their own money away to help them. People who don't say other people should be taxed to hire more bureaucrats who never seem to actually do anything useful to alleviate poverty. The abortionists love to have people like you always voting to make sure the killing continues unimpeded. They know you are 100% reliable. We know it too.

Dave Pawlak said...

One more thing, Joe:

I wouldn't accuse Mark of not loving his Church. One can argue about his politics (and no, I don't agree with his position, just to let you know), but I think he sincerely loves his faith, and tries to live it as best he can. So does our esteemed host, and, believe it or not, I have reason to think that you do, too. And I try, even though I fall short...

Pray for Mark, and for me (and believe me, I need it. I'm looking for work. My last job ended up in Mumbai). You have my prayers, for whatever is going on in your life. Hope we all meet in Heaven, just as Paul met Stephen, and Augustine met Jerome.

August said...

Joseph,

The fact that your father fought in WWII has absolutely no relevance, not only because that is the wrong war, but also because a soldier's impression of what he is fighting for is seldom accurate. You operate emotionally and tell an emotional story in order to dismiss me. Call the man suggesting you can learn some truth by studying a particular time and place a fool? I suspect your defensive position has degenerated to the point where you defend your mind of all knowledge. This happens to people who cannot deal with the fact that what they've been raised to defend no longer exists. Let it go, learn the truth, and take up a better position. Drop the flag, and pick up the cross.

Julia Marks said...

This overwhelming emotion reaction has me stumped, quite honestly. Pretty much almost nothing changed with the reelection of Obama. There's the legalization of marijuana that is unique, but that has been nibbling at the fringes of our lives for decades, with medical marijuana being legalized. Pretty much all of what we have now we had under Bush. We had Planned Parenthood. We had gay marriages. We had terrorist attacks (with many more attacks on embassies and personnel killed than under Obama), not the forget 9/11. We had bailouts for the banking industry, that went into a tailspin under Bush. We had raises to the debt ceiling because of the two wars he started.

So why all the sturm und drang? I keep looking for the reason. This country is not burning down at our feet. Our religious freedoms are being threatened. But you know what? Our lives are not over. Our voices are not silenced. People have changed the course their government was heading in before, and we can do it again.

Stop wallowing in self-pity, understand that all of us are equal members of this nation, and embolden your troops.

Svetlana said...

Wow. Not much would have been different under a Romney administration. You would have hoped that he wasn't going to waste your vote and followed the will of the people. But Republicans don't have the best track record on living up to conservative expectations.
Discern carefully, put not your trust in earthly princes. All this moping is for the godless. These are defeated foes! Act like it. God is still the King of Glory. Perk up and get to your fasting and praying like a real Christian man.

Anonymous said...

Julia and Svetlana - couldn't agree more. I remember the 1980's SNL Hans and Franz sketch. Catholicism is not a religion for "girlie-men".

Anonymous said...

WOW. Such love. I always wondered what happened to the ilk of Torquemada.

c matt said...

I didn't think anyone really expected the trajectory of the nation to change under Romney, only that it might slow down a bit.

Philadelphia Catholic Outsider said...

Anonymous of 1:55: Switching sides? Comparing the baby-killers to Torquemada? Or just insulting everybody who opposes the baby-killing as usual for a Liberal Catholic?

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

40 Days For Life Campaigner/Church in Need supporter, if you are the same "anonymous" (as I said, a great name) who said, "voting for a pro-abortion candidate of any stripe is colluding with evil," then I ask the same question: What are you doing to put your bishop's feet to the fire? Unless your name is Judie Brown, I have no use for your opinion nor for your evaluation of me.

I have no guilty conscience in voting for Romney. I no longer take Catholic moral theology seriously, not only because the bishops (and that includes this Pope) no longer take it seriously but because the Catholic Church has been in full-bore apostacy for centuries. It long ago sacrificed its spiritual patrimony on the altar of political power, wealth, secular influence, intellectual fashion, institutional arrogance and a pervasive sense of entitlement.

The only way abortion will change is this country is to give young people the emotional, psychological, spiritual and ethical tools to deal with their budding sexuality without resorting to contraception or intercourse. It involves looking at the opposite sex with respect and reverence as somebody made in God's image, not as an outlet for hormones. Tell me, whatever-your-name-is, how well have the Church's leaders been doing that, lately -- if at all?

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

August, answer my question. Do you seriously believe that the ethnic tensions in Southeast Europe would not have occurred if Versailles had not been signed? Those tensions had been going on well before WWI (thanks, in part, to the Ottoman Turks). In fact, a couple of wars were fought in the Balkans in the decade before WWI. You seriously believe the Austria-Hungary would have been able to stem the tide and remain intact?

I mention my father because you, like so many other American Catholic poseurs, dismiss liberty in favor of some monarchistic system. If you are as well versed in history as you claim, then you know that this nation fought against a monarchy that wanted to tax it dry. If you are as intelligent as you make yourself out to be, then you know that humanity was created in God's Image -- and, since God is the ultimate free Being in the universe, then He created humanity in His free image. The fact that sin marrs that image does not mean the God has stopped making the basic prototype, as it were.

I believe in the United States, despite the presidential election, because I believe in its fundamental values. One of those the citizenry holding elected officials accountable, something not possible in your beloved Austria-Hungry. Another is the general lack of blind deference to leaders, something which Catholics should learn to adopt because the "successors to the Apostles" are anything but. They are unrepentant, arrogant careerists who blaspheme God's Holy Name merely by their presence! They care far more about their power and wealth than they do about the God (let alone His people) they claim to serve (if the clerical sex-abuse crisis did not bring that out, then nothing did). They will be judged by a holy, righteous God Who will sweep all apostates under His Son's feet. Don't believe that? Stay tuned.

40 Days For Life Campaigner/Church in Need supporter said...

Heretic Hippolito said:I no longer take Catholic moral theology seriously, not only because the bishops (and that includes this Pope) no longer take it seriously but because the Catholic Church has been in full-bore apostacy for centuries.

Great. This lets us all know where we stand. I for one have no need to address an apostate heretic fool. One wonders why you think your opinion matters at all on a Catholic blog. Hint: it doen't.

John Fisher said...

There are places where the Catholic Church did not endure. North Africa. Northern Europe; Norway, Sweden, Denmark,parts of Northern Germany. Don't be smug!!!

Mary De Voe said...

Joseph D'Hippolito: The human being is composed of body and immortal soul. Obama sold his soul to the devil. Obama is a LOSER. Each and every person must concern himself with getting his soul to heaven, a friendship with God. The bishops, the church too, belong to God, but each person is a child of God.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

40 Days For Life Campaigner/Church in Need supporter, you don't have to address me. You do, however, have to address centuries of papal and episcopal history, not to mention the attitude of such bodies as the USCCB and even the Vatican.

Ask yourself this question: If either Jesus or St. Peter were walking on this earth today, do you seriously think their attitude toward the Catholic hierarchy would be any different than their attitude toward the religious leaders of their own day?

As far as being an "apostate" goes, if loyalty toward the Triune Godhead over and above any church in your eyes, so be it. I have less use for your opinions than for used toilet paper.

Mary De Voe, you get no argument from me about Obama or about abortion. Whether the bishops belong to God, however, is an open question. If you can find anything that Malachi Martin wrote about the Vatican, I strongly suggest you read it.


40 Days For Life Campaigner/Church in Need supporter said...

Heretic hippolito, you are a follower of Satan. Get the behind me.

August said...

Joseph,

I seriously believe, that you, like many Americans, can't distinguish between liberty and the form of government. The bill of rights is not a form of government, but rather a declaration of what the government should not fool with. A monarch can understand this as well as a republic. The masses, apparently cannot understand this at all, which is why even our founding fathers were not for universal suffrage, and the Senate was originally appointed by the states.

I believe America should have stayed out of WWI at the very least. This was certainly in America's best interest. Secondarily, it would have made sense to point out the Emperor was the only leader on the continent not being a total ass.

I can tell by your insults that you are unduly proud. You have to have the epistemological humility to study. In order to improve, one must assume there is at least a little improvement left to be done. Instead, you write the sort of thing that blatantly proves my point. You confuse liberty with this form of government more than once.
I find it hard to watch Ben Stiller movies because I end up feeling embarrassed for the characters- your comments effect me in much the same way.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

August, you're very good at psychological projection. Why don't you provide specifics to your historical points, instead of just insulting me? Or does condescending to the "ignorant" sully your self-benighted status as an "intellectual"?

For better or worse, and whether you like it or not, the United States has done more to protect and promote liberty than any nation that has ever existed. The Catholic Church cannot say that because the Catholic Church dethrones God and puts itself in His place.

God created humanity in His image. Since God is the ultimate free being, then God gave humanity freedom. The fact that sin marrs that image does not mean God will discard the prototype, as it were (otherwise, why promise a Messiah and why save Noah?)

The Founding Fathers recognized something that Catholics have yet to learn. Even Jesus recognized it -- after all, He was the agent through whom God created the Universe -- when he lambasted the religious leaders of His day in Matthew 23.

However, for centuries Catholicism lined itself up with authoritarian monarchies in Europe and non-monarchies in Latin America. The Vatican didn't even dispense with the Index until 1966. The fact that Pope Leo XIII effectively demanded that the Church enjoy special rights ("the favor of the laws and the patronage of the public authority") over and above God-given rights to every individual proves my point.

Speaking of Leo XIII, I suggest you do some research on the vision he had in the Vatican, in which Christ gave Satan permission to destroy the Catholic Church within a century.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

40 Days For Life Campaigner/Church in Need supporter, if placing loyalty to the Triune God over and above any church makes me a follower of Satan, then you're no better than the Pharisees who called Jesus demon-possessed because He cast out demons! Do you really want to say that?

Sophia's Favorite said...

Joseph D'Hippolito: If you believe the Catholic Church is apostate, why should we listen to you? And there is no relationship with God without some church that retains apostolic succession—the New Covenant is not with any individual, it is with an institution. Any of the other real churches—not merely that of Rome—will react exactly the same to your "I'm more loyal to God than to any church" bullshit.

You are not a follower of Satan, you're just a Protestant too stupid to know he's a Protestant.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

And there is no relationship with God without some church that retains apostolic succession—the New Covenant is not with any individual, it is with an institution.

That is a bald-faced lie. The New Covenant is a relationship with Christ Himself and His Body, not with a bunch of apostate careerists who mouth pieties they plan to do nothing about.

Church leaders have perpetuated that lie to grab power for themselves and lord it over the laity. They refuse to acknowledge St. Peter's proclamation that those who believe in Christ are "a royal priesthood" (1 Peter 2: 9). The fact that they divide the faithful into three theological classes ("prelates," "clergy," "laity") renders it imcompatible with that ideal.

"Apostolic succession" -- and its sister doctrine, the priest as "alter Christus" -- are the biggest theological scams in institutionalized Christianity. They have been misused by clerics to demand blind deference, to point others to themselves rather than to Christ, to encourage a kind of spiritual co-dependency among the "laity."

I suggest you study the Letter to the Hebrews. Christ entered into the Holy of Holies in Heaven to intercede for all who believe in Him -- regardless of whether they're Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox. As the result of His sacrifice, believers are encouraged to come boldly and confidently into the Throne Room of Grace, because of Christ's sacrifice and intercession.

If you've never heard that, it's because the priests and prelates don't want you to hear it. They value their power more than any concept of fidelity.

Apparently, Sophia's Favorite, you've never heard of the Holy Spirit. He works not only collectively but individually, as well.

Finally, you and other Catholics absolutely have no idea the kind of severe judgement the Catholic Church has stored up for itself -- and which God will pour out, when the time is right.

Sophia's Favorite said...

You cite a book in shitty Greek no civilized person accepted except on the authority of an institution, against that institution. Quod erat demonstrandum—you are a Protestant too stupid to know it is one.

Any further remarks from you will be solely the yammerings of the dog that lost the fight.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

You cite a book in shitty Greek no civilized person accepted except on the authority of an institution, against that institution. Quod erat demonstrandum—you are a Protestant too stupid to know it is one.

Interesting that you tried to refute my assertion not only by attacking me but by attacking a work that is considered divinely inspired, whether it's in "shitty" Greek or perfect Greek. The fact that the "institution" declaring this letter to be inspired deliberately ignores the implications of the passages I cite is far more of a damning indictment on it than you can ever impose on me.

Anonymous said...

Many of these comments prove your points to this essay. You are not winy and wimpy...maybe
justly concerned. Winy and wimpy are those that
just had to get their two cents in to "correct"
you ...THEY have the enlightenment....blah blah
blah, Catholic ..blah, blah... The Corporal Works of Mercy can be done. The Spiritual Works of Mercy are not attainable in our current "divider nation".

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