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Sigh: Biden Receives Communion Again

Sigh. I ask, what is the point of having a Canon 915? 

Cardinal Dolan was back at St. Patrick's Cathedral and so was Joe Biden. Look at the commentary below from the Daily News. Isn't this the very definition of scandal?


Among the faithful packing the pews was Vice President Biden along with his wife, Jill.

Biden received communion, despite his support for abortion rights.

Unlike his predecessor, Dolan does give communion to Catholics who stray from church dogma on abortion policy, saying he prefers to persuade them in discussion rather deny them the Eucharist.

Dolan and Biden had coffee after the service, though neither addressed the press.



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52 comments:

Suzanne F. said...

"I ask, what is the point of having a Canon 915? "

We don't have "rule of law" in this Church. That's the problem.

Matthew Roth said...

Why do we have it? Because it can be used: Kathleen Sebelius is one example.

Jay Anderson said...

"Biden received communion, despite his support for abortion rights.

"Unlike his predecessor, Dolan does give communion to Catholics who stray from church dogma on abortion policy, saying he prefers to persuade them in discussion rather deny them the Eucharist.

"Dolan and Biden had coffee after the service ..."


I love Cardinal Dolan. But things like this make me glad that, despite all the hype he received from the U.S. media, he wasn't elected Pope.

Christine said...

It's disgraceful. I hope people will contact the archdiocese & respectfully remind Cdl Dolan that Canon 915 is not optional.

communications@archny.org

(212) 371-1000 Ext. 2990

Anonymous said...

Jay Andersen, Really didn't you think that the Media yapping Cdl Dolan till we were blue in the face just proved that they are really out in left field. Of all the Cardinals, Bishops who should be set right because they are so high profile and so connected to the political entities. Cdl Dolan is causing Scandal Primo ! The flock is continuously led astray. It pretty much says 'We're' really all about a Wink and a Nod .

Anonymous said...

He's a Cheeseheaded snake. http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/deaconsbench/files/2012/01/cheesehead.jpg

He might as well say that he'd rather him go to Hell than deny them the Eucharist. "So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord."

Canon 915 is there to protect the sinner too!

Anonymous said...

Cardinal Dolan, assuming he is not an imbecile, knows very well that Biden isn't open to discussing abortion -- Biden is a passionate defender of the right to kill children in utero, and his mind is closed on that issue. To give him communion in a state of such grave sin is, if we trust St Paul, to damn his soul. But if Cardinal Dolan's intent is to send the message to US Catholics that they can abort a million babies a year and still be in good standing with the church, message received.

Anonymous said...

I agree that this is scandelous...so many of my non-catholic friends see prominent Catholics, such as Biden and Pelosi being pro abortion, pro gay mariage, etc...but no rebuke from the Church. They have no interest in exploring the Catholic faith because of this.

Anonymous said...

I think we should acknowledge that the day is rapidly approaching when the Church in North America is going to split into two - the Catholics on the one side and the heretics on the other. Dolan and Biden will be on the side of the heretics, along with Pelosi and Cuomo.
It happened before in history, and it's going to happen again. Let's make sure that we know whose side we are on.

Lynda said...

The way to Hell is paved with the bodies of Bishops (apologies to Catherine of Siena). If Bishops show this much contempt, at minimum, recklessness, for the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, how can they expect to fool people into believing in the presence of Our Lord in the Eucharist? The scandal is beyond egregious - this kind of scandal needs a word all of its own. And, please tell me that picture of Archbishop Dolan guffawing is not from Passion Sunday, the most solemn, penitential time of the Liturgical Year? I think we all know what we have done to deserve this.

David C said...

The American church is a mess. An unmitigated, embarrassing mess. But hey, Dolan had coffee with Biden, so he's happy.

William Meyer said...

I am not a fan of Cdl. Dolan, and will not be. He fails, again and again, to defend the faith, and instead, supports scandals such as this one. I pray for his conversion, and for that of many of our other bishops. Sad indeed, that the number in need of conversion is so large.

Anonymous said...

God in his Mercy preserved us from error, Thank God Cardinal Dolan wasn't elected as our new pope. He is creating confusion and scandal by giving him Holy Communion knowing very well that Biden supports Abortion on demand and ipso-facto excommunicated! Pope Francis said: "Any politician that supports abortion cannot receive Holy Communion.

Steve "scotju" Dalton said...

Why should we expect Cdl. Dolan to deny Biden communion, when he wasn't denied it in Rome?

aquinasadmirer said...

scotju,

I wonder if there's a difference regarding the scandal brought by someone receiving in a foreign country where you're not as well known, versus receiving in your native land where you are a public figure.

Dymphna said...

Does Dolan ever stop laughing? He's going to crack a rib one day.

Brian Kopp said...

buf·foon
/bəˈfo͞on/
Noun
A ridiculous but amusing person; a clown.
Synonyms
clown - jester - zany - harlequin - fool - merry-andrew

Rev. Vincent Fitzpatrick said...

Let's see: If I give him Communion, the Vice President will be committing sacrilege, I will be giving scandal, I will be flouting Canon Law, and the Eucharist will be profaned. If I deny him Communion, the Vice President won't have coffee with me.

A no-brainer!

John B said...

A terrible scandal. At absolute best Cardinal Dolan displays a culpable naivete. After reading John Allen's book my worst fears regarding him are coming to fruition. He is an amiable lightweight, being played like a useful idiot. His time as President of USCCB can't be over soon enough.

Kenny R said...

I remember Cdl Dolan saying sometime back that the red of a cardinal's vestments is to remind us of the blood of the martyrs. Yet Dolan seemingly doesn't even want to risk the bloodless martyrdom of losing the media's favor. Sad!

cpttom said...

*sigh* I really want to like Cdl Dolan, considering he is the Metropolitan for my diocese, but, then he goes and does this kind of thing.

The only thing that is going to get Biden's (and add in Pelosi and Sebilius) is an old fashion "book,bell, and candle" kind of excommunication:

like:

Magdalene said...

Glad C. Dolan was not elected Pope! He carries a lot of weight but seemingly no backbone.

Would be surprised if he continues to stand up to the HHS joke.

Will he go to prison for the faith? Time will tell.

Anonymous said...

So, did Biden go to confession first?
If so, he would have said his penance, promised to sin no more, and received absolution, and then received communion in a state of grace.
So, do we have a conversion here?
NO, we have confusion.







Lynda said...

Everyone ought to read Cardinal Burke's analysis on this issue, which is authoritative, and which can be accessed directly by clicking on Rev Vincent Fitzpatrick's name, supra. Especially the fourth last paragraph.

Anonymous said...

Agree with comments - this is scandal. So disappointed with Cardinal Dolan.

Brian Kopp said...

Are the babies laughing, Cardinal Dolan?

Mack Hall, HSG said...

Too bad -- just another Democratic Party pet clergyperson, leashed and obedient.

David L Alexander said...

Hey, anybody remember the good old days when all the smarty-pants "A-list" Catholic bloggers were all hot to trot over Dolan being our next pope? Whatever happened to all those intellectual giants, anyway? I imagine they feel pretty foolish right now. It's not hard to imagine because they also LOOK foolish. This isn't anything that most faithful Catholic couldn't see coming a mile away.

Okay, that's done. We can all go back now to being outraged over an poor old man in a white cassock and two hip replacements ditching a fancy chair for a more comfortable one.

cpttom said...

Cardinal Dolan is very disappointing in this area. He gives cover to the progressive politicians in the State. Example, our "Catholic" Governor pushed a Gay Marriage bill into law. Many "Catholic" Politicians went a long with it because their "Catholic" faith gave them no choice (huh?). Neither before, during, or after the vote was there any solid guidance from Cardinal Dolan. There wasn't any condemnation of the Governor or the politicians who voted in favor of the law. The same is going on with the current bill the Governor has proposed to make legal abortion legal practically until birth. Will the Cardinal do anything.

Which makes the question Brian's question about the babies so relevant. Forgive me Cardinal there is nothing to laugh about in any of this.

Katalina said...

If you want more info on the Scandal as well as past problematic actions of Cardinal Dolan go check out The Vortex on ChurchMilitantTV and you will see from the time he put a Cheesehead hat on at his installation Mass in Wisconsin to the fiasco involving St Francis Xavier Church to the nasty way he treats his own priests for simply wanting to say the Extraordinary Mass, to calling God a She. I am also glad he was not elected Pope.

tuleesh said...

Dolan's the man that people would hoping would be pope if an American were elevated?

Mmmm kay-ay

Anonymous said...

What a way to begin Holy Week. That big blow hard delivers over Our Lord to Judas again. Why didn't Cardinal Dolan just go into stand up. He is more than willing to cause scandal and betray the faith again and again.God help us all. A pope who hates being pope and a Cardinal who hated being Catholic.

Jeffrey Stuart said...

Cardinal Dolan.

What a disappointment.

John Cardinal O'Connor, pray for us.

Blackrep said...

Oh, its all been said about these losers. That being the case, that Palm Sunday palm is the biggest, gayest thing I've ever seen in my life. Why not just hang a disco ball of the end of it and get your funk on? Good God.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

Frankly, I'm tired of this crap! This is Pope Francis' first test. If he refuses to discipline Dolan (and, for that matter, Wuerl) publicly, then we know nothing has changed.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

For that matter, I'd loovvvve to know what the talking heads at National Catholic Register think about this...especially Simcha Fisher, who asked her audience to give Dolan a break when he invited Obama to the Al Smith Dinner.

With Catholics like these, who needs atheism?

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

aquinasadmirer, Steve Dalton makes a valid point. Do you seriously think that Pope Francis wasn't briefed on who the vice president of the United States is??? If not, then that speaks volumes about either the laziness or spiritual apathy of the people advising Pope Francis.

The new Pope had a chance to make a statement. He failed. Then again, if I recall correctly, JPII distributed the Eucharist to pro-abortion members of the Italian parliament. If he didn't, that would have made news.

The incident with Biden also speaks to a far graver problem: Catholics taking the Eucharist for granted, despite the theology surrouding it. Too many Catholics look like chassis about to receive engine fittings on an assembly line when they go to receive.

D-Wherl said...

At the end of the day, all this hatred and name calling isn't helping anything.
You are all correct, but prayers will do a lot more good then all this bashing ever will.

Anonymous said...

Regarding Canon 915 - please see: "APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION SACRAE DISCIPLINAE LEGES of the SUPREME PONTIFF POPE JOHN PAUL II for the PROMULGATION of the NEW CODE OF CANON LAW" on the Vatican web site. It contains the following sentence. "Finally, the canonical laws by their very nature must be observed."
Note the word “MUST”.
Any Cardinal, Bishop or Priest who KNOWINGLY gives Holy Communion to a public heretic or schismatic - is being disobedient to the Magisterium. In addition they are aiding and abetting in Scandal and Sacrilege.
(In addition to Canon # 915, please see Code # 1399.)

Anonymous said...

I watched the Papal Installation Mass twice, and did not see Pope Francis give Holy Communion to heretics and schismatics Biden or Pelosi.
In addition, approx. 500 Priests from all over the world gave out Holy Communion to the crowd.
It is possible that the person who gave them Communion did not know of their public Scandals.
(We must honestly ask ourselves - do we KNOW the scandals and public mortal sins of each of the politicians from ALL over the World?)

Anonymous said...

You won't see this article at National Catholic Register.

Anonymous said...

"That being the case, that Palm Sunday palm is the biggest, gayest thing I've ever seen in my life. Why not just hang a disco ball of the end of it and get your funk on?"
LOL

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

I watched the Papal Installation Mass twice, and did not see Pope Francis give Holy Communion to heretics and schismatics Biden or Pelosi.

I stand corrected regarding Pope Francis personally. Thanks.

Any Cardinal, Bishop or Priest who KNOWINGLY gives Holy Communion to a public heretic or schismatic - is being disobedient to the Magisterium. In addition they are aiding and abetting in Scandal and Sacrilege.

Of course, Ed Peters, the canon law "expert," will never admit that publicly...

Anonymous said...

Those who hold secular power must be careful to not intertwine the State with religion. As a Catholic, I hope Biden stands opposed to abortion. However, by law, he cannot force his beliefs onto others. We must all understand that one may maintain the sinfulness of certain acts, but should leave the choice to perform them to those whose souls are at stake.

The legality of an act on earth does not determine its sinfulness before God. And the sinfulness of acts should never determine whether it is possible to perform them; it must determine, in one's own heart, his actions. Joe Biden has not sinned publicly by allowing others to make the choice to sin, and Cardinal Dolan does nothing wrong by not withholding the Eucharist.

Lynda said...

That is a wholly irrational statement. Man-made law exists for the good of man - to uphold the Natural Law. Insofar as a man-made law departs from the Natural Law (objective morality knowable by reason) then that "law" is invalid and void. The intentional killing of an innocent human being is always and everywhere unlawful for violating one of the most fundamental prohibitions of the Naftural Law. A person doesn't lose his right to life because an invalid man-made law purports to take it from him. Every legislator has a duty to legislate in accordance with the Natural Law including the inviolability of all innocent human life. Every legislator is responsible for the laws he votes for. It is always and everywhere evil to vote for a law that purports to legitimise the killing of the innocent. No Catholic may receive HC if in a state of mortal sin, such as voting for unjust, evil and invalid laws. A minister of Holy Communion has a positive duty, to God, the individual and the Faithful not to permit ceetain profanation of Our Lord and create grave scandal by giving the Blessed Sacrament to such a legislator.

Michael said...

Dolan to Biden: Joe, naah, don't worry about hell . . . you're fine, you're fine. I just want to have coffee with you. That's all.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

As a Catholic, I hope Biden stands opposed to abortion. However, by law, he cannot force his beliefs onto others.

Nevertheless, he can argue against abortion publicly, which he has failed or refused to do. That's not "forcing his beliefs onto others;" that's expressing an opinion, which he is allowed to do under the First Amendment.

Dolan to Biden: Joe, naah, don't worry about hell . . . you're fine, you're fine. I just want to have coffee with you. That's all.

Dolan just wanted to have a get-together with his soon-to-be neighbor at 666 Lava Lane....

Micha Elyi said...

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Why should we expect Cdl. Dolan to deny Vice-President Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden communion, when he wasn't denied it in Rome?
--Steve "scotju" Dalton
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I agree with Ed Peters, the core of any fault here lies with the bishop of Biden's home diocese (is it the diocese of Wilmington?), not Rome nor New York City.

Micha Elyi said...

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Sigh. I ask, what is the point of having a Canon 915?
--Patrick Archbold
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Well, the appropriate use of Canon 915 probably reduces the number of embarrassing pickets in front of churches, cathedrals, and bishop's chancery offices.

Tancred said...

Rather than call out to him from the pulpit and welcoming him, which +++Dolan did, why not call him out from the pulpit and ask him to leave?

Anonymous said...

One word can be used to explain the Cardinal's actions on this and many other examples; COWARD.

Anonymous said...

Come to think of it, everyone who is scandalized by the Cardinal's poor (and that's an understatement) shepherding...mail him two balls (golf, tennis, billard, ping pong, bowling, basketball, baseball...or even marbles) to show him what he is lacking. Now how did one person put it...? Oh, yes...'he is lacking testicular fortitude'

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