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Paul Ryan: Not So Catholic After All?

It seems that Paul Ryan is not so Catholic after all?

Rep. Ryan has now gone on record supporting gay adoption, even as Catholic institutions that are closing to avoid the immoral practice.

The 2012 Republican vice presidential nominee — and potential 2016 GOP presidential contender — announced his change of heart during a town hall event in Janesville, Wis. this week, WKOW-TV reported. He voted to ban same-sex adoption in the District of Columbia as a newly-minted congressman in 1999.

“Adoption, I’d vote differently these days,” Ryan said Monday. “I do believe that if there are children who are orphans who do not have a loving person or couple, you know, I think if a person wants to love and raise a child they ought to be able to do that. Period. So I would vote that way.”
He then tried to bolster his bonafides by saying he doesn't support gay marriage.

With logic like this, I suppose that the best that can be said of him is that he doesn't support gay marriage...yet.

I am very disappointed in Rep. Ryan. I suggest that all the Catholic adoption agencies that face extinction or have already perished for refusing to support gay adoption give Rep. Ryan a call.

*subhead*Disgusting.*subhead*

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25 comments:

Anonymous said...

I knew he was a phony when he caved in a few months ago and agreed to raise taxes. I no longer trust the Republican Party. It's over. After the last election I am never voting again. Why bother. Romney/Ryan lost because they refused to promote conservative ideals. They were to worried about offending Obama. Now that I see Ryan really is a phony I'm glad he lost. At least Obama is honest about his beliefs.

Steve Dalton said...

Unless the GOP at the national level starts to espouse genuine traditional, Christian ideas and morals, I'll never vote in a national election again. I will vote in local and state elections if the candidates are known to be steadfast in their commitment to the same.

Anonymous said...

I think the effort of all politicians-both parties to exempt themselves from Obama care speaks volumes about all of them in DC--sweep all the bums out & find those who are not afraid to truly stand up for their beliefs. I think they would be surprised at the support. Sodom & Gommorah is here

sparrow said...

Put your faith in no man

Andrew said...

What he said was he would have voted differently on that specific bill which banned gay adoption in DC. He is now saying that adoption agencies should be able to place children with any individual they wish, not that Catholic adoption agencies should be forced to place children with gay couples.

Aged parent said...

As a Wisconsinite, allow me to assure you on one thing: Mr Ryan is first and foremost a Republican hack. His first allegiance is to the Republican Party,...full stop. It has always been this way. He has no convictions whatsoever, and never has.

As for his Catholic faith....well, considering the state of the Church today I am fairly certain he was never properly instructed from grade school on up.

Mary De Voe said...

A female husband and a male wife. The children will never be ale to comprehend being lied to in a rational way.

Anonymous said...

Don't tell me you won't vote for him if/when he runs in 2016. Hypocrite.

MaryW said...

Very disappointing. Better that a child remain in foster care or an orphanage than in a home where the adults engage in and promote unnatural sex. Would like him to explain how this is a healthy environment for raising children. Also, didn't I recently read, on this blog I believe, that 50+% of children raised by practicing homosexuals identify themselves as being gay? Nature or nurture?

Fr Bill Peckman said...

One would imagine after enough disappointments from political idols that one would quit expecting divinity from them.

Blackrep said...

Stupid. You'd think if he were to cave in a logical way he would first approve gay marriage, but leave the kids out of it. That's all I really care about - let people make their fake little arrangements and call them what they want, but don't deprive a child of his/her natural right to a mother and a father. It's child abuse.

Yet, I would vote for Paul Ryan if my other choice is even worse. Your vote is not a marriage or something. It's just a tool with which you limit the bad and encourage the good. That's all. Elevating it to a glorious, mystical, metaphysical plane through which the whole of your faith and life is expressed leaves you with no one pure enough to vote for, and while your fellow citizens are out putting their .02 in, you're home twiddling your sacred thumbs.

But, I get the anger though. I live in that land.

Anonymous said...

Fr Bill, you are of course correct here. These blogger have a tendency to idolize politicians and their schills/commentators regardless of the fact that they are Protestant/heretics (these odd-balls have a major "jones" for the ubiquitous scarecrow, Ann Coulter). You really would think that by now they would stop blurring the lines between religious and political figures, but that's just not how they roll.

Philomena said...

I agree with Blackrep 100%. Most particularly his statement about fake arrangements depriving a child of his/her natural right to a mother and a father rings true and deep.

Anonymous said...

To some extent, I agree Blackrep, but as someone else put it, those who don't vote actually have a stronger basis for complaining. Suppose you agree to place a bet on a horse race, knowing ahead of time that the race is essentially fixed, and only two of the dozen or so horses even have a shot at winning. You bet on one of the two, and your horse loses. If you complain the system is rigged, who do you have to blame for taking part it in? You consented to participate under those ciricumstances.

Seems the guy who didn't willignly participate in the charade has a stronger basis for dissing horse racing as fixed.

aly said...

I won't vote for any of them anymore on the They make me Sick Principle. If they're not for "this" immoral thing, they're for another immoral thing. And I agree we need to not expect politics to be moral. That's why I'm having nothing to do with the ugly business anymore. The GOP to the man sleeps with Jews. They are warmongers. "This" is immoral. ANONYMOUS above Refers to The Joners' for Coulter add Hannity FOR CERTAIN and so on and on. I wish Catholics would get outta bed with Fox News. Where to go? Certainly not the Other
Bed of Whores. You just have to look. It's not easy. But I finally took the Cure. I highly recommend it.

Anonymous said...

Amen, Aly.

Proteios1 said...

Does anyone here really think republicans represent Catholic values better than democrats? A few hot issues, yes. But in totality, they are both institutionalize forms of grave offenses against God. If we don't move away from both these corrupt and unethical parties and form a true Catholic or All Christian party, we lose America. They have both abandoned us. Just look.

Mack Hall, HSG said...

Even before I was of age to vote (and I am 65), I identified as a Republican, tho' the Democrats' pet bishops obeyed the Kennedy oligarchy. I was wrong to identify with any secular party, of course, and have long since gotten over it. One must depend upon God, His Church, and one's own formed mind when voting.

Becky said...

Ryan's defense of gay adoption before gay marriage would seem to show he hasn't thought very long or hard about any of it.

He is where I was about ten years ago. I thought "of course it is better for a child to be adopted by gays than to not be adopted, to languish in foster care... even though the child will not have a mother and a father, both the child and society can respect this commitment to the welfare of the child... adopting a child is a noble thing to do."

But gays do not want to be thought of as second-best parents (note I'm not saying "second-class citizens"). Recall all the evidence presented to the Supreme Court from the "children of gays and lesbians" who were being traumatized by the continued refusal of society to recognize adoptive homosexual parents as equally good to heterosexual parents.

I wish I could go back in time and ask Sotomayor "do a couple of gay latinos need a latina to help them make wise parenting decisions?"

At the same time we are constantly being pounded with the message that Women Must Have 50% Of All Jobs In The United States...

Anonymous said...

Just a detail. He's an Ayn Rand fan and only tangentially Catholic. No need to be especially scandalized by him, he's just one more politician. I do idly wonder if he might make a really good Can 915 test case.

aly said...

Anonymous 2 May 5:48 P.M., Thank you.
Anonymous 3 May 12:11 A.M., Here's a detail. Flannery O'Conner said she hoped that anyone who found a copy of Atlas Shrugged in the subway, she hoped would toss it in the trash bin where it belonged. I agree. At times that it became re-popularized I tried to read it. I'm not sure why I tried because generally popular doesn't appeal to me. Anyway three times I just couldn't get very far. Each time
I found it very boring and rather trashy. I also in the past saw film of interviews and I wasn't impressed. At the time, I was young and I thought surely she was much smarter than I and I just couldn't grasp it. Later I thought she wasn't so smart after all. Cheers everyone.

R.C. said...

Folks,

Trust no man, other than Jesus Christ.

That said...has anyone examined whether he offered any motive or justification for this view?

There are three ways I could see this going:

1. The despicable wussing-out view: "Well, I examined my conscience and I feel that it wouldn't be loving to exclude anyone from..." ...blah, blah, blah, you guys know how the rest of that one goes, but I just ate and I don't want to make myself ill by mouthing the usual weak-minded heterodox platitudes.

2. The "what if it's a choice between a gay parent and no parent at all?" view. This one is politically/culturally naive, and I had hoped that Ryan wasn't that. But you have these folks moved by compassion for some little orphan Annie minus the red hair and the Daddy Warbucks, wasting away in an orphanage run by a Miss Hannigan clone, and thinking, "Hey, this kid would have a significantly nicer, and maybe even a longer, life if they got adopted by Ellen Degeneres and went to live in a mansion."

3. The mainstream-media-hears-what-it-wants-to-hear possibility: Until the coverage has sat out there for awhile and the original quotes have been combed-over for a bit, I'm not 100% confident that he didn't, immediately after the quote given above, say something like, "Although, it should be noted that I have in mind a foster parent who is living chastely and who has shown no inclination to inculcate their own preferences as normative in the minds of children." That's the kind of language a mainstream reporter would instinctively zip past without comprehension as the headlines made possible by the first half of the quote danced in his eyes: "ZOMG! Neanderthal Ryan grows forebrain and approves gay adoption...can his own coming-out be far behind?"

So: It looks like the man is deceived and ought to be prayed for.

That said, the evidence is thin for Ryan being a full-fledged reprobate. Let's keep open our options that he isn't entirely lost to eternity, fellows.

Anonymous said...

What's most dissappoining to me is that so many Catholics put their faith in a political party. How did we get into cherrypicking different aspects of our Church's faith and morals and marrying ourselves to a political party?

Lynda said...

Absurd. Unjust. Homosexual relationships are intrinsically evil, based on a lie. It is evil to put or allow a child to be put into such a terrible situation. It is cruel, and abusive and will cause adverse repercussions well beyond childhood. Imagine one's one child being put into such an unnatural situation. Every child needs his mother and father. If it is not possible to be reared by his mother and father, we have a duty to ensure insofar as possible he or she gets an adoptive mother and father, married to each other. Our children deserve nothing less. Has he lost his mind??

Rick said...

If the GOP is running on the platform of limited and smaller government and more on respecting the will of the people, then it's respecting that will no matter how they run contrary to the truth a consequence of those premises? I don't Ryan's position either. I am for standing up for what is true and moral, for God in the public square.

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