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Pope May be Planning Peace Meeting Between Abrahamic Religions

So it seems the Pope may be considering pulling together representatives of the three major Abrahamic religions to discuss why it's not appropriate to kill others in the name of God. There's a few problems I see right off and that seems to be who do you speak to as a representative of Islam who would have any say that would resonate with the Islamic world.

I could give a million reasons why something like this wouldn't work but one must never underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit in the cause of peace. Pray that if the Pope decides to do this, some good comes out of it.

UCA News reports:

Israeli government sources claim Francis is apparently thinking of calling a meeting between leaders and faithful of the world’s three biggest monotheistic religions, in Rome, to launch a message of peace, countering violence and the use of God’s name to justify hatred and terrorist acts.

The sources say the Pope announced his intentions during an Audience on April 30, but there was no mention of this in the communiqué the Holy See’s issued after the Audience.

President Shimon Peres of Israel “told the pope that there are people who use God’s name to justify terrorism” and religious leaders should “say out loud that God did not give anyone permission to kill their neighbor.”

According to the information contained in a summary of the Audience received by the Israeli government, Francis told Peres he “whole-heartedly supported” his appeal against violence and that “he wanted to promote a meeting between religious leaders and faithful of the three major religions” founded by Abraham, “in Rome”. The aim would be to “make people see” that the religions “oppose violence and terrorism.”

If these statements were indeed made during the Audience, it looks like the pope is thinking about possible peace initiatives that would be restricted to the world’s three major monotheistic faiths.

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35 comments:

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

This is the problem with the Catholic Church: Words over actions. Muslim theologians and clerics preach hatred and violence daily against "the infidel;" does anybody seriously believe that a conference of intellectuals will influence them? The Muslim intellectuals who attend likely will offer the same old Western-sounding nostrums. Once they get back, they'll either encourage or be silent about the atrocities committed in Allah's name.

Murders and assaults are increasing daily. The
Catholic Church is powerless to stop it because it has placed its ultimate trust in human resources (the UN, interfaith conferences) rather than on God.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

I suggest all of you do an Internet search for an Italian immigrant from Egypt named Magdi Allam. He is a commentator who fights Islamism in Europe and converted from Islam to Catholicism in 2006; Pope Benedict himself baptized him during Easter Vigil. Two weeks after the College of Cardinals elected Francis, Allam announced in his column that he was leaving the Catholic Church because it's weak on Islam. He's absolutely right.

Steve Dalton said...

As a person of Morisco (Crypto-Muslim) descent, I have to agree with Joe. Muslims have always been an aggressive, militant religion. The only time these guys talk is when such talk will advance Islam.

The Jews have always hated Jesus Christ and the Church, so it's ridiculous to join up with them to fight terrorism.

The only kind of talking that we really need to do to either of these groups is the preaching of the gospel. Otherwise, it's waste of time.

the mysterious said...

Joseph, you're a joke.

Rick said...

I'd side with the Jews anytime. They're our elder brothers as Pope JPII taught.

Do you know what the popes in the past taught about the Islamists and Mohammed?

Steve Dalton said...

Rick, this "elder brother" thing is nonsense. The Jews don't believe in Jesus Christ. They crucified him and have persecuted Christians since 33 AD. The only Jews that count as "elder brothers" are the ones who first believed on Jesus Christ. The other Jews believed in the heresy of the Pharisees (which became known as Judaism) that Christ said it would make them the children of hell.

The Popes of the past always taught that Islam was a false religion. it is only in the last 50 odd(!) years that mush brained thinking by high prelates have embraced this evil sect as a so-called Abrahamic religion. Abraham had nothing to do with Mohammad, and he certainly would not want anything to do with those who crucified the one whose day he was glad to see come.



Foxfier said...

Though I don't doubt the power of the Holy Spirit to make it POSSIBLE, I'm not expecting much out of a group of three religions meeting so that two of them can cough and go "so... how about stopping this whole systematic slaughter of our people?"

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The Jews did not crucify Christ. As a simple matter of fact, they didn't have the authority to do so.

While they're wrong to not accept the One that fulfilled the promise they were given, there's no reason to spread nonsense claims.

Steve Dalton said...

Foxfier, they hollered "Crucify him" and intimidated Pilate into doing it. Also, Paul blamed the Jews, not Pilate for killing the Lord Jesus (I Thes. 2:14-16), so this "nonsense claim" has been around for almost 2000 years.

Katalina said...

Pope Francis is following not only Vatican II but also the Catechism of the Catholic Church which clearly state that Islam Judaism and Islam are 3 Faiths which believe in only one God. Of course there are great differences between all three but there are also extremists in all three of them. The problems with the Muslims are more about Politics and the state of Israel. As far as the Jews they still think Pius XII was silent.

Foxfier said...

Steve-
"they bullied the Romans into killing him" is not the same statement as "they killed him."

Katalina-
CCC 841 does not say that Islam worships the same god, only that they profess to hold the faith of Abraham. I do believe the documents it drew on for that-- Jimmy Akin has an article on it, but the only copy I could find was on an redirect to the homepage of Catholic.com instead of the new location for the article-- stated that they follow the same god so far as they recognize that God is the creator of all and merciful.

Of course some Jews think the Pope was silent; Hollywood, Stalin and uncounted numbers of anti-Catholic bigots (some overlap there) told them so. Some Catholics do, too. Some Jews, on the other hand, practically foam at the mouth when that lie is repeated.

Steve Dalton said...

Katalina, it doesn't matter if Judaism or Islam believes in one God. The "one God" of both Judaism and Islam are false gods. Both of them reject Jesus Christ as Christ/God come in the flesh, which is Anti-Christ. Both reject the Holy Trinity, which if you don't profess faith in you are damned. Only Christianity can say it have true faith in the one true God.

Differences? One faith is the true faith leading to heaven, the other two are false sects that makes its adherents the children of hell.

Extremists? Both Judaism and Islam reject the True God, Jesus Christ and persecute Christians. That's pretty extreme in my book.

Problems? Their real problem is that they reject the Triune God, not politics, Israel, or Pius XII's silence.

Steve Dalton said...

Foxfier, didn't you read what Paul said?

the mysterious said...

Steve Dalton, the old Catechism says that we are all responsible for Christ's death. Vatican II said the same thing.

Foxfier said...

Steve, you already admitted that the straight narratives in the Bible say that the Jews did not kill Jesus, the Romans executed Him.

tuleesh said...

Well the result of this meeting might be doubtful, but it's definitely worth a try.

If agreement is not possible, then things will certainly be much clearer. We'll see...

Foxfier said...

Katalina-- found it! The thingie explaining the relationship with Islam and the Jews, I mean. Incidentally the same place that the Church formally absolved "The Jews" of killing Christ. (Actually how I ran into it, looking for the formal declarations.)

Proteios1 said...

So the cult of islam is now Abrahamic? I suppose we better also include Mormons and any other group that simply decides they have a vision and then systematically snub all of Gods laws in celebration of themselves.

Dymphna said...

Ishmael was Abraham's son but the Muslim understanding of God comes from Muhammad not whatever Ishmael and Hagar may have remembered about Abraham's God.

Steve Dalton said...

Foxfier, Paul blamed only the Jews for Christ's death. The Romans performed the actual act of crucifixion because the Jews didn't have the legal authority to do so. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Rick said...

Steve Dalton: We crucified Jesus by our sins. The Romans were the gun, we pulled the trigger.

Foxfier said...

Steve-
that you can actually say "the Romans actually crucified Jesus, but the Jews are to be blamed! No matter what the Church, reason or anyone else says!" and act like there's something wrong with other folks speaks volumes.

Rick said...

Steve. Jesus forgave those who crucified Him "for they know not what they do". Followers of Jesus need to imitate his example to be one with Him.

Rick said...

The Islamic deity, "Allah" is the Bedouin moon-god, one of many in their polytheistic system. It was the deity that Abraham left when he answered Yahweh's call. Yahweh is the One True God. Allah is a false deity. But the founder of Islam tries to craft a coalition among Judaism, Christian and Islam so he pretended Allah to be the god of all three. Nothing a farther from the truth.

Steve Dalton said...

Rick, Jesus was crucified for our sins, the Apostle Paul layed the guilt of his death upon the Jews. BTW, why are you still posing as a clergyman? To the best of my knowledge, you have never been ordained as a deacon, let alone a priest.

Foxfier, wasn't the Apostle Paul and his writings a part of the Church? That speaks volumes about your inability to understand the scriptures.

BTW, I'm not going to bother with answering anymore of your inane posts. I have no desire to have a flame war.

Rick said...

Between Jesus forgiving and Paul "laying guilt", I choose Jesus.

Islamists won't scare me into silence. That's how Christian get massacred.

I wonder if the SSPX would side with Islamists just because they hate the Jews so much.

Foxfier said...

Steve-
you have stated two mutually exclusive things as fact. One of them agrees with Paul's-- and everyoneelses'-- description of the events leading up to the Crucifixion, and one is an interpretation of a later letter that Paul wrote.

For bonus points, the one that is an interpretation of what Paul wrote would claim that Our Lady and Jesus Himself killed Jesus. They were Jews, after all.

Or, you are misreading.

Unknown said...

Rick:

"Allah" is simply the Arabic word for God (cognate with Hebrew "El"). Arab Christians used this word (and continue to use it) long before Islam came along.

Dave

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Rick said...

Go back further than the Arabs. As I said, Allah is the Bedoiun moon god. Check Wiki and other sources.

Semantic of it referring to deity does not equate it to YHWH - Who is a totally different Person.

People have been buying into Mohammed's duplicitous narrative for centuries.

Unknown said...

Rick: Even before Mohammed? Have you ever been in a Melkite Rite, Maronite, or Coptic church? You will hear references to "Allah". It predates Mohammed. You also seem to have a willful ignorance of linguistics and Semitic languages.

Dave

Donna M said...

...whatever the outcome,

...we can do no less than, to hope for the best,
...and prepare for the the worst,
...we'll come with rosaries for peace and they'll come with IED's, fully loaded magizines, and AK 47's!
...with the "safety" off!

...in gettin' ahead of the situation, by tying up loose ends, sending out in advance, RSVP invitations to funeral Masses, for the "Rite of Christian Burial"!

Rick said...

Speaking of the Coptic church, their calls to "Allah" have resulted in their women being raped on the streets and their men murdered by the Islamists who claim to be an Abrahamic faith.

So, the Islamic Allah seems to be different from that of the Christians otherwise the Islamists would treat them as brothers and sisters.

Unknown said...

Rick:

I'm not denying the Islamic distortion of God into an unknowable monstrous puppetmaster (more so than even Calvinism has done), but the word itself, which always has been used by Arab Christians and Jews.

Dave

Rick said...

Dave: So we agree that while the term "Allah" is used to denote deity by both Islam and Christianity, the concept (or Person) denoted is not the same for both. As you wrote, Islam "distorted God" and I wrote, the Islamic deity is not the same Person as the Judeo-Christian One.

Unknown said...

Rick:

I think we agree now, yes.

Dave

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