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Don't Misread Bishop Conley's Letter On Contraception

Some twenty three years after Bishop Glennon Flavin of the Diocese of Lincoln issued a pastoral letter to Catholic couples and physicians on the Issue of Contraception, his successor Bishop James Conley has done the same.

But people are already trying to misinterpret his letter. Don't let them. Please read more about this at The National Catholic Register.

*subhead*It is real good.*subhead*

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29 comments:

Patrick Archbold said...

The Question really should be "What part of: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Do you not understand? And how obtuse do you have to be to be on

Patrick Archbold said...

Oh yeah, how about the "real" problem? Like those progressive circuit judges that take unlimited liberties to calculate and "write" law instead of "interpreting" law. Talk about exaggerated authority. Talk about questionable ethics and morality. They've destroyed the judiciary. This country is crumbling out from under us.

Patrick Archbold said...

Has Congress made a law respecting the establishment of religion?
No.
Have they made a law prohibiting the free exercise of a religious body?
No.
Have they stopped anyone from praying?
No.
The issue is whether a corporation has a religion. Well--tell me this--when was the last time Hobby Lobby took communion?

Patrick Archbold said...

The parts of a corporation - humans - do receive the Eucharist.

Patrick Archbold said...

A a fan of whiny hypocrites let me say...the Catholics of SCOTUS did not assert their beliefs with homosexual 'marriage' in the DOMA. So please stop your misinformation msnbc. Half truths are...not truths at all.

Patrick Archbold said...

Do you really think that defining what constitutes a religion and what actions are permissible acts defined by that religion in obamas healthcare mandate is NOT a violation of the first amendment? A religion defines itself not a government. That is an abridgment of religion. This isn't rocket science it's in writing and they are enforcing it on churches, monasteries, sisters of mercy, and many others. I am not speaking of hobby lobby here, but to think the first amendment is not being violated is impressively naive.

Patrick Archbold said...

Mr. Ciminca:

In a sense you make very good (and very important) points; but has not Congress in effect prohibited citizens from praying in government schools, or on or near abortion mills, or on government property? And in so doing establishing practical agnosticism as our State religion?

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Patrick Archbold said...

Why should individual persons, who have freedom of speech and religious exercise, be deprived of these rights when they form a group, a body; that is, a corporation? A group can exercise religion in the public sphere as surely as it can exercise free speech. Both rights should be broadly interpreted.

Patrick Archbold said...

Why should individual persons, who have freedom of speech and religious exercise, be deprived of these rights when they form a group, a body; that is, a corporation? A group can exercise religion in the public sphere as surely as it can exercise free speech. Both rights should be broadly interpreted wherever possible, and there is no compelling reason why Hobby Lobby should be forced to pay for embryo-killing drugs that their employees can easily buy for themselves.

Patrick Archbold said...

Government doesn't have the "authority" to define, limit, suppress or restrict my right to practice my religious belief system. I don't need the government's "permission" to access that right. On the contrary, that'll be the day!
My faith is "who" I am. Where I dwell. It is from where I make value judgements in regard to decision making.
Governments come and go but, faith will "always" remain. Looks like government is on the decline.

Patrick Archbold said...

That is a subterfuge intended to distract from the assault on first amendment freedoms. Hobby Lobby is a corporation not a human being, therefore...


Either you are a fool or a scoundrel.


I would put your questions to all the atheists and anti-religious bigots who seek to use the establishment clause as a "separation of church and state" blanket authorization to quell religion and religious expression anywhere they can.



20th century history is full of such regimes and none of the were pretty.

Patrick Archbold said...

Christianity. The last acceptable prejudice

Patrick Archbold said...

Freedom of religion vs. freedom to worship

Patrick Archbold said...

No--they really haven't.
What they have stopped is organized prayer that would leave those who believed differently in a position of feeling excluded.
So we see that there is nothing stopping a student, or group of students, from praying on their own--as opposed to an organized, Christian prayer led by a school official.
"Abortion mills"?--the government has restricted access to the sidewalk, not limited prayer.
Government property?--the fact that the congress has a paid Chaplain would contradict your statement that the government has prohibited prayer on government property.
You are conflating two different point. Your claiming that the government is stopping prayer. Nothing that the government is doing is stopping a private citizen from praying. What the law does do is stop the government from tacitly setting the Christian religion above others (or none).
And that is driving the religious right crazy.

Patrick Archbold said...

What is happening is that the religious right is no longer making the rules.
And it is driving you guys crazy.
No one is inhibiting your ability to pray or practice your religion. Hobby Lobby isn't a person. It doesn't go to communion. It doesn't pray.

Patrick Archbold said...

Mr. cminca:

Interesting. Very exact reasoning.

However
in our local schools students on school property (or off school
property while engaged in a school event) are prohibited from praying
aloud. Also individuals who pray outside the bubble at abortion mills
are routinely and regulatory harassed and bullied by agents of the State
(The Cops). Further another agent of the State (in this case a
chaplain), who may or may not believe in a Supermen Being, having the
right and liberty to pray at certain times, under certain conditions
(all imposed by the State) while the citizenry are at the same time and
place prohibited from prayer seems to me - unfair, unjust and dangerous.


Now I am only a semi-literate knuckle dragger. And you seem
quite the opposite. I may very well be missing something here. I do
appreciate your time for answering. I have a hunch this matter will
become increasingly important.

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Patrick Archbold said...

Mr. cminca:

I did not realize that you were approaching this issue from what appears to be a political left vs right perspective.

A follower of Jesus Christ must pray without ceasing. A follower of Jesus Christ does not just pray alone, or silently. A follower of Jesus Christ is called upon to spread His Good News.

A Christian cannot be a Christian just one hour a week on Sunday morning.

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Patrick Archbold said...

Mr. cminca:

The State requires Christians (or else face in what is in effect a tax on their religious beliefs) to support and send their children to government schools where their children are prohibited from making any outward and public expression of their faith while at the same time being indoctrinated into the State religion of militant atheism.

The State legislates in favor of unbridled lust and then enacts further legislation enabling men to escapte the immediate consequences of their lust by murdering their children at abortion mills while at the same time enabling its agents (cops) to harass Christians who pray and the very same murder facilities.

The State hires another agent (Chaplain), who might or not believe in Jesus Christ, and allows him to recite in public at certain times State approved readings; while at the same time denying its citizens the right to pray openly on the same government property.

I am just a knuckle dragger and may be missing something but it papers that the State religion (militant atheism) will not tolerate any other God.

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Patrick Archbold said...

Of course, the debate "always" comes down to our Catholic faith.
How about this. Right now, in Brussels, our fearless leader is doing what he does best. Babbling about his usual community organizer, US freedom and shared responsibities pablem to Europe. Purely laughable, in the face of continued drone strikes. Usurped powers, misdirected, dictatorial authority!

Patrick Archbold said...

Our fearless leader is one scary guy.

Patrick Archbold said...

Richard--you obviously have a martyr complex. Far be it from me to counteract your persecution fantasies with fact.
I will say my ancestors, in the 1600, fled the real persecution by the CC to come and make a life in the new world. If you feel so persecuted here perhaps you should consider immigration to a more congenial location. Uganda seems like it might fit your needs.

Patrick Archbold said...

I'd be much more impressed with Christians if they didn't have to walk around informing people that they were Christians--but attempted to prove it by their actions.

Patrick Archbold said...

cminca, you state that the issue is whether a corporation has a religion. If it does not have a religion, does it have a gender or racial identity when a government agency puts a contract out for bid?

Patrick Archbold said...

Gender or Racial identity is an inherent trait. Being a Christian isn't.
If you'd like to argue that Christian businesses have been historically discriminated against you are free to do so. Good luck.

Patrick Archbold said...

Isn't gender and racial identity an inherent trait of persons?

Patrick Archbold said...

The regulation speaks of the gender or racial identity of the majority owner, not the gender or racial identity of the corporation.

Patrick Archbold said...

So it is acceptable to look to the majority owner in certain circumstances like gender and race, but not in others like religion, even though the Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion. And the Founders did not consider the free exercise of religion to be limited to what one does within the confines of a church building. If that were the case, then one could not conscientiously object to serving in the military based on one's religion.

Patrick Archbold said...

Mr. cminca:

"Richard--you obviously have a martyr complex. Far be it from me to counteract your persecution fantasies with fact."

Today our racist Caesar murdered 3 to 4,000 unborn babies - 40% black babies. @ 60-million since Roe v Wade. The murdered are overwhelmingly the children of Christian parents.

"my ancestors, in the 1600, fled the real persecution by the CC to come and make a life in the new world."

1600? Which group was that?

"Uganda seems like it might fit your needs."

Uganda clearly already has Christians to witness for Christ.

Cod bless

Richard W Comerford

Patrick Archbold said...

Mr. cminca:

It is not the task of Christians to impress but to bear witness to Christ. Indeed the best missionaries in the history of the Church have so failed to impress the world that they won crowns of martyrdom. Christ can make use of the most unimpressive Christians to spread His Good News.

God bless

Richard W Comerford

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