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The Crisis Is All In My Head - Part XVII

Some more confirmation that the current crisis in the Church is all in my faithless pessimistic little head.

So the other day the big news was that Cardinal Müller of the CDF stated the obvious to the LCWR. Hooray for Orthodoxy!! All is well.

So no sooner did that news break, did the infamous Cardinal Kasper, the Pope's hand-selected keynote speaker for the Synodal preparatory meeting, the very person who the Pope praised for his serene theology, publicly mocked  Cardinal Müller for his actions.

A key cause in Cardinal Müller's rebuke of the LWCR was the invitation to speak of the group to Sister Elizabeth Johnson, whose book was publicly censured by the USCCB. Do you know how far out in left field you need to be to get censured by the USCCB?

So what does Cardinal Kasper do? No sooner did Cardinal Müller rebuke the LWCR for the invitation, Cardinal Kasper publicly praises Sister Elizabeth Johnson and rebukes Cardinal Müller for not 'dialoguing.'

And this kind of open warfare between the Cardinals has happened before. Last year, Cardinal Kasper publicly contradicted Cardinal Müller for upholding the Church's 2,000 year view on divorce and remarriage.

So speaking of that subject, Cardinal Kasper continues to travel around talking up his Kasper Theorem, that while leaving in place the doctrine of the indissolubility of marriage, would render it moot through praxis. Don't take my word on it, this has been the take of many of the Cardinals that heard it. Meanwhile, the Pope praised it as 'serene theology' and allows Cardinal Kasper to promote it and mock Cardinal Müller.

As if this wasn't bad enough. The President of the Synod of Bishops Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri, appointed by Pope Francis and just made a Cardinal, the man charged with organizing this year's and next year's Extraordinary Synod to deal with this very issue has now publicly taken sides with Kasper saying it is time 'to update Church marriage doctrine.' Update Doctrine!!

And finally back to Cardinal Kasper again. In his speech at Fordham, Cardinal Kasper relays the following story from Pope Francis after another Cardinal criticized Kasper's book to the Pope as containing heresy. Pope Francis told Kasper that such criticism 'goes in one ear and out the other." Heresy being a trivial matter and all.

And adding insult to copious injury, Cardinal Kasper then gave and interview in which he claimed Church is "not against birth control at all."

Serene Theology indeed.

I know, I know. Connecting these dots and thinking we may have a problem on our hands is where lunacy resides.

It's all in my head. This is not real. It's all in my head. This is not real. It's all in my head. This is not real...


*subhead*Nothing to see here..*subhead*

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36 comments:

Patrick Archbold said...

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Patrick Archbold said...

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Patrick Archbold said...

But can you give me some concrete examples that Holy Tradition is up for discussion by the Church's Magisterium?

Patrick Archbold said...

Cardinal Kasper is a heretic. There I said (wrote) it. That the Pope seems to back him up is MOST disconcerting.

Patrick Archbold said...

In their pride and refusal to stand up for the Truths of the Faith and allowing heretics to speak, they flirt with eternal danger. They lead souls astray with impunity I might add.

Patrick Archbold said...

Is this the tail wagging the dog?
Because europe and other western countries, abdicated moral authority, succumbed and and embraced distorted, secular ideologies (some really great "dead end" models) that, negatively transformed social institutions out of a faith and family ideal. Statements, while going sooo far out on a limb, that they are going for something better? 1,2, or 3 divorce and remarriages are better than what?
Well, I'm not convinced!
I'm actually waiting for the really big deal! And its going to be the most divisive and contraversial yet promised.
The proclamation of the fifth Marian dogma.
Waiting for all of hell to break loose, because of satan's anger and wrath, over the BVM, named as Co Redemptrix!
Salve Regina!

Patrick Archbold said...

Mitchell's Law of Ecclesiology: For every Cardinal, there is an equal and opposite Cardinal.

Patrick Archbold said...

Personally, I think Cardinal Kaspar has overplayed his hand.

Patrick Archbold said...

I don't fear this controversy. There'll be no change in the Eucharist. The change might come in raising the status of the internal forum (ie the sincere prayerful conscience) of the spouse to the level of it being permitted but not affirmed like private revelations of saints are permitted but not affirmed by the Church. The private conscience is not infallible but guess what...annullment courts are non infallible and are sometimes reversed by Rome. The Eucharist will always require sanctifying grace prior. The Synod may switch the determination of grace from the external forum of annullment courts to the internal forum of the divorced person who is sincerely convinced their first marriage was not attended by a vow that God accepted. The Church need not publically agree with them just as the Church does not make binding the private revelations of saints.

Patrick Archbold said...

The Synod may switch the determination of grace from the external forum of annullment courts to the internal forum of the divorced person who is sincerely convinced their first marriage was not attended by a vow that God accepted.

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Knowing human nature, I'm quite confident that many would then answer themselves in the affirmative with regard to whether a previous marriage was valid or not.


Here's the thing. There are already Catholics who have mentally made that determination. I don't see the need for the Church to sanction it.

Patrick Archbold said...

I think given one hundred people in a diocese seeking at all to receive the Eucharist in the irregular state, most not all of them are sincerely motivated. Most insincere Catholics in a second but irregular marriage would not care to receive Communion at all in the first place and are probably not attending Mass in the first place. The Pope and others are interested in the topic because they see that at least these people are attending Mass in the first place and may well be sincere in other areas like their examination of the nature of their first vow.

Patrick Archbold said...

One has to ask why this isn't more of an issue for Rome.


"The Church is not falling to pieces. It has never been better."- Pope Francis

Patrick Archbold said...

I'm not doubting anyone's sincerity. I simply speaking to the fact that when it comes to judging ourselves, we always err on the side of mercy instead of justice. Thus the need for an objective voice. Holy Mother Church comes to mind for that.

Patrick Archbold said...

Today's Catholic Church is FULL of heretics and its disgusting to me when others in the Church (including the Pope) praise them. In a few years the Catholic Church will be celebrating the great heretic Martin Luther exactly 100 years after the warnings from Fatima. I cringe to think what God in Heaven will do on that day.

Patrick Archbold said...

It seems +Kasper is the new Gumbleton, only he seems to (potentially) wield more influence.

Patrick Archbold said...

I hope you are right. But I suspect that he has made a reasonable calculation that this is exactly the time for him to make this move. Whatever things the man is, naive is probably not one of them.

Patrick Archbold said...

Holy Mother Church is the annullment courts which are often reversed by Holy Mother Church in Rome. In the concrete world, reaching the second Holy Mother Church and waiting for it takes too long as witnessed by a lady who protested her annullment by a Kennedy.
On judging on our behalf ALWAYS erring on the side of mercy ...that is way out there in generalization land. Sirach 10 talks about negative image people even then in a primitive culture:
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My son, with humility have self-esteem;
and give yourself the esteem you deserve.
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Who will acquit those who condemn themselves?
Who will honor those who disgrace themselves?"
In any event, the Synod will decide all these things in due time.

Patrick Archbold said...

" The Synod may switch the determination of grace from the external forum of annullment courts to the internal forum of the divorced person who is sincerely convinced their first marriage was not attended by a vow that God accepted."
Bill, the question is not whether the vow was accepted by God, but whether it was made at all. And an official switch to an "internal forum" for a determining if one is in a state of grace, or at least not a state of serious sin, would be an utter and complete abdication of the Church's responsibility to teach. Admonishment of the sinner is still a work of mercy. Vatican II didn't abrogate that (so far as I know, anyway). How many convince themselves that pre-marital relations or contraception or even abortion are acceptable/excusable, at least in their own personal circumstances? The possibility of the Church "merely" looking away from this and engaging in a sort of willful ignorance is horrifying. The idea that "the rule" remains the same is absolutely no consolation.

Patrick Archbold said...

We differ. God does not accept vows if He alone knows that one or both are incapable of it there in the concrete. An annullment is a court seeing that non acceptance by God in retrospect while the Church did not see it at the time of marriage. But the courts are not infallible in this area and have been overturned by Rome often when petitioned. What a married person knows is the whole nuanced early marriage. And that private estimation might be better than the quality of the local Church judges or might not. I don't see teaching at stake in a change. I see image of the Church as perfect clergy ruled society at stake. But image is weird. Ccc 2267 about capital punishment presents a picture an image of modern penology protecting people worldwide perfectly. But the image is untrue. Now look at the two largest Catholic populations...Brazil and Mexico...both 20 times more dangerous as to murder rate than death penalty China which has hundreds of millions of poor people. Image preservation motivated the hiding of the sex abuse. Image is powerful and has many apologetics people defending things that St. John Paul apologized for. Christ's group was a bit messy and unpicturesque walking town to town.

Patrick Archbold said...

Is it way out there? You don't think we are more lenient on ourselves? I certainly am on myself.


All in all, you seem to be saying that because the current annulment process takes long that we should simply allow people to determine such things for themselves? That seems like a gross oversteer in the other direction. Further, if such an approach works for annulments, then why not apply to confession as well?


Perhaps Henry VII was right all along. But who am I to judge?

Patrick Archbold said...

We most certainly do differ. Whether God "accepts" vows is a matter that no human being or group of human beings on earth can determine. It would be extreme hubris to claim such an ability. In the annulment context, that's why the Church looks at whether one or both had the capacity and intention to make such a vow. That CAN be determined, at least with some modicum of reliability. No, these determinations are not infallible. But they are a far sight more reliable that one's own personal self-interested opinion, even if one's conscience is well formed. And many (most?) are not. Again, how many people convince themselves that pre-marital relations or contraception or even abortion are acceptable/excusable, at least in their own personal circumstances? And that's even with Humanae vitae being the teaching of the Church. What would result if the law of the Church was a wink and a nod?

Patrick Archbold said...

No...I said the double process of appealing to Rome. But who am I to judge plus the new Francism..."in one ear and out the other".

Patrick Archbold said...

Just 'making a mess' as per Bishop Frank's instructions.

Patrick Archbold said...

I can't help but think if this had happend in the 300s Cardinal Kasper would have been declared a heretic and anathematized.

Patrick Archbold said...

Well, it's only a double process if you appeal. But I guess those who appeal felt down deep that they were correct. And indeed sometimes they were. But other times not. So much for private judgment.

Patrick Archbold said...

They are simultaneous in discovery. If a court has found a marriage never existed because one person was radically immature, they have simultaneously ascertained that God rejected the vows. They are not reading God's mind. It follows logically that if the marriage never was a real marriage then God could only have done one thing...rejected the vows. Adios. I have to wash the kitchen floor....Aquinas in the Summa Theologica: "Manual labor atones for sin."

Patrick Archbold said...

Our lady warned us about this at Fatima.
Bishops opposing bishops in the open

What else will happen?

Patrick Archbold said...

That would have happened 75 years ago

Patrick Archbold said...

Bill, your premise is faulty. We can not make any judgement on the action of the Almighty in accepting or rejecting any vows. A marriage tribunal can only make a judgment of the capacity of the individuals to truly make such a vow with full knowledge and consent. That is all they do because that is all they can do.

Patrick Archbold said...

Cardinal Kasper: "The pope...said he believes that 50 percent of marriages are not valid." https://t.co/KqP7oZ9hOY #PopeFrancis— Grant Gallicho (@gallicho) May 7, 2014

Patrick Archbold said...

"Idon't fear this controversy. There'll be no change in the Eucharist. The change might come in raising the status of the internal forum (iethe sincere prayerful conscience) of the spouse to the level of it beingpermitted but not affirmed like private revelations of saints are permitted but not affirmed by the Church."

And in the mean time thousands, perhaps millions of souls could be bringing about condemnation upon themselves. Forget about the politics for one minute. The words of Saint Paul should haunt us on this matter. Even more so, the warning Christ gave to those who lead people astray ring even louder. In the end, we must follow The Man (Christ) and not any Synod. Bill, you and people like you are playing with fire.

Patrick Archbold said...

JP,
You are picturing millions of people trying to receive Communion illicitly while they are in a second marriage and doing so from comments of these Cardinals in the newspapers which imply that nothing is settled if they read the whole article. What if it is really 100 people in N.Y. and 3 in Oregon etc. and with similar numbers in South America....1000 in Brazil...25 in Uruquay. They have no permission in the external forum so if they are going by a really really sincere conscience despite that, Paul's words would not apply. If they have a lax conscience, Paul applies. St. Thomas influenced the burning of heretics per his Summa Theologica which idea ended up affirmed in Exsurge Domine in 1520 and implicitly condemned in St. John Paul's " Splendor of the Truth" in section 80 which says " coercion of spirit" is intrinsically evil. So Aquinas helped get 5000 people killed who should not have been killed. Now those heretics transplant our hearts, change our oil, and lend us their rakes in fall. So Aquinas is in heaven because a sincere erroneous conscience if it is really sincere...excuses from sin. St. John Paul II and Benedict and Francis with their new death penalty position will get many murder victims killed for centuries to come. They are wrong but they are sincere and therefore will not perish....and John Paul is in Heaven and now knows he ignored the question of deterrence totally and ignored Romans 13:4 totally as did his catechism. These second time marrieds if they are receiving prior to a decision may also have a sincere erroneous conscience like all these leaders just mentioned. God to Jonah, " And shall I not save Nineveh which has more than 120,000 people who do not know how to distinguish their right hand from their left?"

Patrick Archbold said...

I don't disagree that he is smart. But somehow I think this must be similar to the buildup before Pope Paul VI rebaselined everyone with HV. And even then there were still some high-ranking dissenters.


But one area where I think we definitely agree is that this type of thinking needs to nipped in the bud much quicker for the sake of the people. I'm quite confident that many folks back in the early 70s began contracepting because they just knew that the teaching was gong to change.

Patrick Archbold said...

Mr. bill b:



"St. John Paul II and Benedict and Francis with their new death penalty
position will get many murder victims killed for centuries to come."


What is their position and why is it new? I thought that as we live in a culture of death that JP II was discouraging the use of capital punishment - not forbidding it.


Am I missing something here?


Thanks


God bless



Richard W Comerford

Patrick Archbold said...

There's two versions...the written in the catechism which says it's extremely rarely necessary even though heavily Catholic Mexico as of 2009 had 100,000 cartel foot soldiers who according to a Mexican justice official control 60% of the prisons.
And then there's the papal verbal version: John Paul calling the dp cruel in St. Louis despite God mandating it for all men in Genesis 9:6.... and Benedict congradulating the Phillipine president after she announced it's abolishment there. Abolishment in reality...affirm the dp in the ccc but then say modern penology is protecting so well that we don't need it....errrr.... except they never looked at the record of Catholic countries in northern South America where 6 Catholic countries are among the most dangerous on earth and have no death penalty. Honduras and El Salvador are the two worst murderous countries on earth...heavily Catholic...no working death penalty. Mexico and Brazil two largest Catholic populations and 20 times more dangerous as to murder than China who has hundreds of millions of poor people.

Patrick Archbold said...

Kasper needs to read the words of Jesus (Mt 7:6-23) which was about the 4th Commandment but could be applied to God's Commandment "THOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY";
and the "Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition" - promulgated by Apostolic Constititution - regarding divorce with remarriage, contraception;
and Jesus's teaching on divorce with remarriage Mk 10:6-12 and Mt 19:3-9.

Let us all remember that it was the German DIOCESE Bishops who (until it gained world-wide attention in 2011) sold pornography even after years of complaints by their Faithful;
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/german-bishops-caught-in-massive-porn-scandal-why-didnt-they-listen-to-the
And more recently excommunicated all Catholics (could not receive Sacraments) who did not check the government religious tax box to give tax dollars to them.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/09/22/german-catholic-bishops-give-us-money-or-well-effectively-excommunicate-you/
This is the mind set we are seeing.

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