Comments on Creative Minority Report: Cindy Sheehan Can't Speak at Church

Cindy Sheehan is a hypocrite. She is self-serving ...

2010-05-19T12:07:49.598-04:00

Cindy Sheehan is a hypocrite. She is self-serving and always has been. Interested in making a name for herself and using the death of her son to do so. She should be ashamed and hide her face in her hands, ask God to forgive her.

The comments on this forum about Cindy Sheehan, a ...

2010-03-31T23:46:04.555-04:00

The comments on this forum about Cindy Sheehan, a woman whose son died in Iraq, which is a war based on lies, a war in which almost a million innocent Iraqis also have been killed, a war which Pope John Paul named an unjust war, are beyond saddening.

How can those who claim concern for the rights of the unborn while ignoring the well-being and right to life of the living claim to be following the Christ as expressed in the gospels of peace, love and forgiveness?

The Diocese of Scranton seems far removed from Christian charity. One can pray that the Holy Spirit brings healing and opens eyes blind to the suffering of those for whom Cindy Sheehan speaks.

What do you expect from a clergy that is infamous ...

2010-03-21T00:50:21.131-04:00

What do you expect from a clergy that is infamous for protecting child rapists in its own ranks?

Regardless, Larry, I thought my meaning was clear ...

2010-03-15T20:06:10.830-04:00

Regardless, Larry, I thought my meaning was clear the first time I said because I gave the example of the Pharisee and the tax collector. Even if my use of the word threw you a little, the example should have gotten you back on track.

I do understand that piety is one of the gifts of ...

2010-03-15T16:50:03.526-04:00

I do understand that piety is one of the gifts of the HS. However, I am making a distinction between true piety (piousness) and false piety (piety). I thought that was clear.

It's not clear at all. That's like saying true charity is charitableness while false charity is charity. You can't define something by the same word - that's why it was unclear to me what you were trying to say. The Pharisee wasn't displaying piety, he was displaying pride.

Nightfly had it right.

And that's all I'm going to say on this to avoid the risk of hijacking the thread.

nightfly: I think the problem is in our English l...

2010-03-15T13:39:55.310-04:00

nightfly:

I think the problem is in our English language. We have too many words with several meanings. I do like to make the distinction between false piety and true piety with different words. For me, it's like the difference between morality (good) and moralism (bad)

Kim - I have to protest mildly. We understood the...

2010-03-15T13:32:55.319-04:00

Kim - I have to protest mildly. We understood the distinction you made between true and false piety, but you left us puzzled by your terms:

I am making a distinction between true piety (piousness) and false piety (piety).

This strongly implies that you think ALL piety is false. That's why Larry D pointed out that piety is from God. I think it's more accurate to have drawn the distinction between true piety (piety) and false piety (smugness, pride).

No big deal, since we know now what you mean... but not every visitor might!

"The problem is not that there is scandal in the C...

2010-03-15T13:01:32.162-04:00

"The problem is not that there is scandal in the Church. It's pretending that scandal isn't really scandal. "

Exactly, romish graffiti. And I think that's why amiguity and apathy are so wrong.

Lori: I disagree. We should never be surprised by...

2010-03-15T12:59:13.966-04:00

Lori:

I disagree. We should never be surprised by scandal. Christ was not surprised by scandal. However, don't confuse not being surprised by it with accepting it. The two are not the same. Christ said to be as wise as serpents. Because we are still surprised by human behavior, that means we still have a long way to go with being wise.

When we get to the point of not being surprised by...

2010-03-15T11:45:55.839-04:00

When we get to the point of not being surprised by scandal, that will be a dark day indeed, for then the actions/behavior will no longer BE scandalous, but accepted. I agree that there never was, and never will be on earth, a perfect time in the Church, but we must always remain vigilant against the scandals and heresies that do harm to the faith.

The problem is not that there is scandal in the Ch...

2010-03-15T11:40:21.167-04:00

The problem is not that there is scandal in the Church. It's pretending that scandal isn't really scandal. Same-sex marriage and abortion are objectively wrong, no matter who tells you that. They are not the only wrongs out there, but they are the ones with a significant constituency trying to tell us they are not wrong. One can be honestly in error about whether x war is just or not. There is no such wiggle-room on abortion and ssm. People can dive down the ad hominem escape hatch if they want, but it doesn't change the truth.

Anonymous: "how do we get back to a place of trul...

2010-03-15T08:44:03.517-04:00

Anonymous:

"how do we get back to a place of truly living Church teaching and peace?"

The truth is, we've never been there to begin with. Throughout Her history, the Church has always been rife with scandal, even as far back as the Council of Jerusalem. We are constantly undergoing a cleansing because we are constantly plagued by scandal. You would think by now that we would no longer be surprised by scandal,but alas, that's not true. We always seem to think that whatever the current scandal is, it is the worst in Church history, and surely the Church is falling apart? Surely there was a time when we were peaceful? But closer look at history does not bear this rose-colored view out. We have always been plagued by scandal and we always will be until the end of time.

Does anyone see a healing of the church in the nea...

2010-03-15T08:25:34.543-04:00

Does anyone see a healing of the church in the near future? Reading all of the above is depressing. With the Church experiencing a cleansing of sorts and world the way it is, I'm thinking we are possibly witnessing end times. There is so much negativity, how do we get back to a place of truly living Church teaching and peace?

Larry D: I do understand that piety is one of the...

2010-03-15T08:02:18.050-04:00

Larry D:

I do understand that piety is one of the gifts of the HS. However, I am making a distinction between true piety (piousness) and false piety (piety). I thought that was clear.

Would Sheehan allow someone with whom she disagree...

2010-03-15T05:52:34.043-04:00

Would Sheehan allow someone with whom she disagrees to speak in her home? No, of course not! She is a typical former Catholic become anti-Catholic. They are the most viral and bigoted against the Church, because they want a Church in their likeness.

Ms Sheehan does NOT accept the Magesterial teachin...

2010-03-15T00:04:15.719-04:00

Ms Sheehan does NOT accept the Magesterial teachings of the Holy Mother Church.
She is therefore a non- Catholic with absolutely no right to speak with her forked tongue in any Catholic Church or property.
She preaches peace on the one hand and supports; "War In The Womb" on the other.
She also subscribes to the support of anti-life"Sodogomous" unions.
Catholic indeed????
Ms Sheehan needs to remember that"A House Divided against It's Self Cannot Stand"
She is in dire need of prayer.

Kim - piety is one of the 7 gifts of the Holy Spir...

2010-03-14T23:34:41.204-04:00

Kim - piety is one of the 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit, which strengthens us in our duty to God. It is no way a false sense of piousness. False piety is the example of the Pharisee in Christ's parable.

The opposite of piety would be irreverence.

Cindy can't speak because she is pro-abortion. So...

2010-03-14T22:57:57.789-04:00

Cindy can't speak because she is pro-abortion. So how does Notre Dame get off?

Anonymous: Please understand what is meant by pie...

2010-03-14T22:45:33.039-04:00

Anonymous:

Please understand what is meant by piety. Piety is a false sense of piousness. Piety and piousness are not the same thing. One can do a pious act, such as pray the rosary, without engaging in piety. The example I gave with the Pharisee and the tax collector shows the Pharisee practicing piety: a shallow faith, while holding all the "outward" signs. But the tax collector, showed true piousness: an act of selflessness through his prayer. He was truly humble.

Using your example of EWTN, we could probably say that piety abounds there and piousness is lacking.

Ms. Sheehan has been through a heart wrenching ord...

2010-03-14T22:21:57.352-04:00

Ms. Sheehan has been through a heart wrenching ordeal and needs our prayers, compassion and love.
Let the truth be spoken humbly in our hearts and pervade over our land. Dear Jesus, in Your Mercy, heal us all where we need it, for the good of our souls and always for Your Glory. Amen.
God bless us, everyone.

Does anyone find it strange that Sheehan was given...

2010-03-14T21:09:16.636-04:00

Does anyone find it strange that Sheehan was given the pulpit to exposit her POLITICAL views? How often are we told that the Church is in danger of losing their tax-exempt status if they engage in politics? I guess if you are reflexively leftist, the IRS will forgive you.

Cindy Sheehan is a voice that should never be hear...

2010-03-14T19:47:16.606-04:00

Cindy Sheehan is a voice that should never be heard in catholic churches or Catholic cirlces. She is a poor lost soul who needs our prayers

Silence is golden. Thank you Bishop.

2010-03-14T19:33:47.783-04:00

Silence is golden. Thank you Bishop.

Why bother letting a former Catholic speak at a Ca...

2010-03-14T18:34:15.843-04:00

Why bother letting a former Catholic speak at a Catholic church? It's like asking someone to punch you.

I would like to know just where exactly she was in...

2010-03-14T18:21:28.398-04:00

I would like to know just where exactly she was in Cleveland, Ohio. Does anyone know how I could find out?

Thanks!