Comments on Creative Minority Report: Novus Ordo 2.0

In the byzantine rite the 'sign of Peace' is very ...

2009-12-03T11:53:46.335-05:00

In the byzantine rite the 'sign of Peace' is very different from roman rite. one places one's hands together as if in prayer and one's neighbor places their hands over the closed hands and then turns to the next with his hands closed together as the first. . .then his neighbor places their hands on his closed hands. . peace is passed this way

I think the Prayer of the Faithful could be done b...

2008-07-07T00:54:00.709-04:00

I think the Prayer of the Faithful could be done better by modeling it after the Good Friday prayers.

SCREWLIBS, LOL!The moving of the Sign of Peace wou...

2008-07-05T04:00:02.175-04:00

SCREWLIBS, LOL!

The moving of the Sign of Peace would reflect that of the Ambrosian Rite, which I actually think beter serves the Mass.

Hopefully they ax the Prayers of the Faithful and replace it with something similar to what the Byzantines have.

"But ad orientem is not mentioned."It already is, ...

2008-07-04T15:23:53.498-04:00

"But ad orientem is not mentioned."

It already is, or is at least assumed in the rubrics, and the writings of the man once known as Cardinal Ratzinger eschew the notion of mandating a re-introduction without adequate time for adjustment.

The mandated use of Latin would be reserved to the words of institution themselves (as the Holy Father already approves the vernacular formulae personally), as well as in the essential formulae for other rites. This is probably an assurance of doctrinal clarity, not to mention a guard against improvisation, where it matters most.

If this is to happen, I believe it should apply to all Rites of the Church, both East and West. The use of an arcane language at the climax of the ritual would serve to enhance the mystical aspects of the experience. Such has been a common device in worship throughout human history.

Even though the Sign of Peace occurs in a similar location in other Rites of the Church (or in the Byzantine, preceding the Nicene Creed), moving it thus in the Roman Rite would be a rupture of continuity. Better to instruct the faithful on the proper way to exchange the "holy kiss." In the Orthodox Churches, it is not uncommon for the faithful to exchange the Peace among themselves, even as the clergy in the sanctuary do likewise.

"Novus Ordo 2.0." Clever.

We need this on t-shirts and mugs!

2008-07-04T13:35:23.771-04:00

We need this on t-shirts and mugs!

HA!! LOL!

2008-07-04T12:23:44.185-04:00

HA!! LOL!

I was having a shitty day, and now I'm laughing. ...

2008-07-04T11:27:42.367-04:00

I was having a shitty day, and now I'm laughing. Thanks!

It can't come soon enough. By the grace of Our Lo...

2008-07-04T11:01:07.260-04:00

It can't come soon enough.

By the grace of Our Lord, I attended the 8:45 mass locally this morning. It seemed that half the congregation (and there were several hundred today) were either "ministers" of some sort, liturgical committee reps, or people who had great diffculty remaining silently in their pews...so before the mass began it was a beehive of activity. And, of course, the mass itself required helf the neighborhood to have some extraordinary role--rather like the junior prom committee where all of the progrssive Catholic nonsense seemingly has its root.
And of course the celebrant took up five minutes, after making the sign of the cross, to refresh our memories about July 4, 1776...without any significant focus on how this relates to Our Lord, Jesus Christ.

It should be plain to see the crying need for "ad orientem" only masses, a reduction of lay ministers--to prevent injuries from overcrowding, and a strict observance by the celebrant not to add his own rhetoric and hot air to the mass itself.

Are you saying that the 'Spirit of VII' is apart f...

2008-07-04T09:23:07.959-04:00

Are you saying that the 'Spirit of VII' is apart from the documents of the Council? Shocking.

The changes that the leak describes are most interesting. The addition of the Sign of Peace to the offertory is quite ancient, isn't it? And the Latin Eucharistic Prayer would only make sense. But ad orientem is not mentioned.