Comments on Creative Minority Report: Please Don’t Pray at Mass!

I'm a bit late, but I'm about to have a book publi...

2009-05-21T11:00:45.353-04:00

I'm a bit late, but I'm about to have a book published on this very idea of "praying the Mass" (with the new English translation).

Suffice to say, I don't take the same discontinuous or ruptured approach as Fr. Vin.

I grew up with the Latin Mass, and it was quite co...

2007-11-23T17:59:19.053-05:00

I grew up with the Latin Mass, and it was quite common for most of us to use one dual Latin-English language missal or another. Among the favorites were the St. Joseph and St. Andrew Missal. The latter missal I received for my 8th grade graduation in 1955. Even if I had not been an altar boy and known the Latin responses by heart, it was a simple act to follow the English text just as easily as it is today with botched its English. So Father Vin is revising the real situation--not an uncommon act among stubborn progressives for whom history only began in 1960.

Today the overwhelming majority of people do not sing while in line to receive Our Lord mainly because the music is worthy of a McDonald's or Coca Cola commercial--and people just can't in the mood to "want to buy the world a Coke" when Christ is waiting for them in a couple of minutes.

If pastors want to change this situation and have the congregation sing, they need to both rid themselves of most music directors and most of the crappy ditty hymnals forced upon their parishioners.

So we were all lost in the incomprehensible wilder...

2007-11-22T22:24:19.609-05:00

So we were all lost in the incomprehensible wilderness for 1500 years ignoring Jesus' intent.

Didn't you mean 1,960 years?

Hmmm. That's weird. Father Vin says that nobody co...

2007-11-21T23:38:43.790-05:00

Hmmm. That's weird. Father Vin says that nobody could pray the Old Mass because it was like all hard and stuff. Yet it says right here in my Daily Missal (copyright 1960) on the second page (right after the dedication) the quote from Pope Pius X about praying the Mass. What's up with that?

Yes. And it's in (West) Babylon: the city of Hell!...

2007-11-21T19:05:59.576-05:00

Yes. And it's in (West) Babylon: the city of Hell!

We're joking. of course!

If you check the website the church's street numbe...

2007-11-21T18:53:41.781-05:00

If you check the website the church's street number is 666. How can you trust a church with a big 666 on it?

I am also a Traditional Tridentine Catholic. I fin...

2007-11-21T15:58:31.701-05:00

I am also a Traditional Tridentine Catholic. I find the comments by this so called Priest, trite and ignorant, at best. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is to be celebrated with only one Priest, as Christ himself did. The whole Church, b-4 Vatican II, prayed the Mass as Christ had taught as he himself is the lamb of God to be sacrificed. The Priest are to follow in the footsteps of Christ Persona Christi) and pray the Mass the same way. The congregants are to follow along in their missals and pray the Mass in silence. Why is it that today’s, so called Catholics feel that Christ is supposed to descend down to us, rather that us ascend or rise upwards to him.

What ever happened to Sacred Tradition? Did not St. Paul warn us through Sacred Scripture to hold fast to “Sacred Tradition’, one of the three pillars of the Church, and I might add the first pillar. For 20 centuries we have had the purity and the sacredness of the true Ordo Missal. Now, because this modernistic approach (all past heresies combined do not even approach the damage done by this one heresy of ‘modernism’), the Vatican has abrogated its responsibilities and made a mockery with the institution of this New Mass (Novus Ordo) . St. Pius the X was absolutely correct in 1908, he stated that Satan has entered the Sanctuary through the Vatican and at the upper levels as well. Now its at the very top. Remember, the “Law of Belief” and the “Law of Prayer” - “How we believe is how we Pray” - Lex Orandi, Lex Cresendi.

This new, ever changing what ever you want to call it is nothing short of a clown masquerading as a Priest. Blasphemous scrap with a sacrilegious Priest or Bishop, acting in Persona Christi? Is this even valid? Not for me.

I am a Tridentine Catholic, and articles like this...

2007-11-21T12:55:23.468-05:00

I am a Tridentine Catholic, and articles like this constantly show me that the faction opposed to tradition is also the most ignorant thereof.

"Praying the mass" in the Latin is not difficult. He even mentions the way: Missals! (Which translates the Latin to English.) There are also responses, and you are supposed to pray along with the priest, so I honestly don't know what his objections are.

Beyond even that, though, the "participation" in the New Mass is trite and sentimental. I would join with the priest who is facing the alter in his prayers than have them spat at me by some half-protestant priest, who makes it up as he goes along.

In any case, this article just goes to show the weak and slanted thinking that modern seminaries are teaching our religious, and the 'innovation for its own sake' attitude which is cancerous throughout the magisterium.

It used to be that we were joined with two-thousand years of history when we went to mass, with beautiful music, a prayerful environment and a powerful heritage. Now mass is like a bazaar that even Martin Luther would be ashamed of.

(This is a very delicate issue, indeed, and the wh...

2007-11-21T10:52:59.312-05:00

(This is a very delicate issue, indeed, and the whole matter should be handled with great prudence. Thank God, we have an exceptionally clever pope!)

Well, this sounds reasonable, as a whole. The auth...

2007-11-21T10:49:01.409-05:00

Well, this sounds reasonable, as a whole. The author of this text points to some real problems of the classical mass, I think.

But he forgets to say that the new mass has got its problems, too: e.g., the total lack of sublime, or the tendency to use a very banal language (a kind of journalese, or [Catholic] bureaucratese). We must respect tradition and history, because we are men! To yield to the savagery of mass society (no pun intended!) would be, for the Church, the worst betrayal of man and his dignity.

So, the classical mass has got its problems, and the new one has got a lot of problems, too. But both are very good in themselves, of course.

The best thing would be to make each of the two forms affect the other. That would mean a "reform of the reform": and, I think, this is what the Holy Father, in his great wisdom, has in mind.

Anon,I have no problem with the exhortation to "Pr...

2007-11-21T08:53:28.401-05:00

Anon,
I have no problem with the exhortation to "Pray the mass" instead of "praying at mass." I think that is clear from my comments.

What I have a problem with is the suggestion that it is virtually impossible with the "incomprehensible" old mass.

I suspect that Pope St. Pius X would take issue with that as well.

The exhortation to "Pray the mass" instead of "pra...

2007-11-21T08:25:15.578-05:00

The exhortation to "Pray the mass" instead of "praying at mass"--that was said by Pope St. Pius X.

I shall remember to pray for the dear misguided Fa...

2007-11-21T07:19:04.800-05:00

I shall remember to pray for the dear misguided Father...when I assist at Mass this morning!