Comments on Creative Minority Report: The Graying of Abortionists

Wiki defines death as: "Death was historically bel...

2009-06-24T07:30:37.133-04:00

Wiki defines death as: "Death was historically believed to be an event that coincided with the onset of clinical death. It is now understood that death is a process, not an event.[29] Where in this process a dividing line is drawn between life and death depends on factors beyond the presence or absence of vital signs. In general, clinical death is neither necessary nor sufficient for a determination of legal death." Take the converse for life.

Rick: Our devil's advocate may wish for you to de...

2009-06-23T09:43:23.380-04:00

Rick:

Our devil's advocate may wish for you to define "life" for him.

David L Alexander

life begins at conception not after birth.

2009-06-23T07:03:08.196-04:00

life begins at conception not after birth.

My conclusion is that Vigilante is the only Pro-Li...

2009-06-23T01:48:58.550-04:00

My conclusion is that Vigilante is the only Pro-Lifer in here; the rest of you are just Pre-Lifers.

It never fails. Some loser named "Anonymous" gets ...

2009-06-22T20:52:48.191-04:00

It never fails. Some loser named "Anonymous" gets on these comboxes and starts arguing with himself.

Stop impersonating me, and misrepresenting my posi...

2009-06-22T20:16:54.488-04:00

Stop impersonating me, and misrepresenting my position!

Pity the poor abortionists' anquish that so few wi...

2009-06-22T18:17:20.038-04:00

Pity the poor abortionists' anquish that so few will be able to follow in their footsteps. Could it be that they aborted them?

Vigilante, I hearby revoke your permit to life. Oops, no can do that. You're a human being, same as that unborn child.

As John Kennedy said, "The rights of man come, not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God."

"Until a fetus has been given birth by a prospecti...

2009-06-21T23:32:14.852-04:00

"Until a fetus has been given birth by a prospective mother, it is not a child." says a man who usurps the authority of the Creator.

"she is within her moral right to terminate her pregnancy." as proclaimed arbitrarily by a people bribed by the butchers of men.

"Her body is ultimately her domain. Not yours or the state's. " And the body of the child is also her domain - not the mothers, nor the state nor the purveyors of death for cash.

"I will always side with the living against the un-living." And the fetus with a beating heart, brain waves and an immortal soul is alive. And with what kind of life? Human life. And human life has inalienable human rights.

Abortionists, abortion supporters and those who tolerate abortion with pro-choice positions have the blood of millions of innocent babies in their souls. When the day of reckoning comes, when that day of damnation will require a reason for choosing the execution of the most innocent life of all, then I say you will have no excuse to give. So, REPENT before it is too late.

I'm getting tired of repeating myself and you just...

2009-06-21T23:06:45.166-04:00

I'm getting tired of repeating myself and you just might extend this long enough for me to lose interest.

You cannot "murder" something that has not been born. Until a fetus has been given birth by a prospective mother, it is not a child.

If a prospective mother, under the advice of her chosen physician, determines that her post-viability fetus would face severe enough medical challenges to prevent the life she wishes for her children, she is within her moral right to terminate her pregnancy.

Her body is ultimately her domain. Not yours or the state's.

I think prospective mothers do not lightly choose a late-term abortions. I didn't used think there were enough late term abortions to amount to a serious political issue. I used to say, if you don't like abortions, don't abort.

But when the members of the fetus-loving wolfpack on the Faux news network barked and howled long enough to wake up lone wolves who are simple-minded, easily mislead, and lethally armed, it became time to take sides.

And I will always side with the living against the un-living. Every damned day.

Back alley abortions or coat hangers - the tools o...

2009-06-21T21:36:29.041-04:00

Back alley abortions or coat hangers - the tools of murder. They're no different from cold hand guns, switch blades, hammers and baseball bats. If someone wants to murder somebody - even the child in her womb, then she needs to face all the risks and dangers like any other murder. The state should not facilitate any murder - whether it is the murder of an African-American, a Jewish person, an abortionist or an unborn child.

I don't care if you shoot deer in your brush. Just...

2009-06-20T14:43:35.291-04:00

I don't care if you shoot deer in your brush. Just stop shooting doctors in our churches.

I don't think my point is that elusive. Namely, it is immoral to unload deadly force on something when that something could be an innocent fellow human being. If you don't know, you must stay your hand. This of course has led to tragicomic attempts to dogmatically declare they are not human, but this is just bluster.

No one in this forum, neither its moderators nor i...

2009-06-20T11:04:25.527-04:00

No one in this forum, neither its moderators nor its participants, have advocated shooting any doctors anywhere. Either stick to the issue at hand, or I'll persuade the moderators to block your remarks.

Vigilante has stated he now "cares" about abortion...

2009-06-20T10:56:32.599-04:00

Vigilante has stated he now "cares" about abortion because of the killing of Tiller.

Yet, the state of Kentucky has released documentation that shows he was performing late term abortions for trivial reasons. That opinion is by peer review.

Doctor Tiller should have been investigated and tried for violation of Kentucky law. His murderer should stand trial, and be convicted.

I don't care if you shoot deer in your brush. Just...

2009-06-20T10:48:05.129-04:00

I don't care if you shoot deer in your brush. Just stop shooting doctors in our churches.

The Deerhunting Principle? I don't think so. I hav...

2009-06-20T08:07:59.252-04:00

The Deerhunting Principle? I don't think so. I have already said:

Post-viability abortions have to be medically indicated.

Google pro-life atheists. It ain't just a religiou...

2009-06-20T07:50:32.976-04:00

Google pro-life atheists. It ain't just a religious thang. That one can kill based on location. (Outiside the womb, hands off; inside the womb, anything goes) is completely arbitrary. We are talking about a human being. The best that the pro-abortion position can do is argue ambiguity. But that being the case, they lose under the Deerhunter Principle: it is immoral to fire into rustling bushes when you don't know what it is you are firing at.

"When a fetus is birthed three or four months earl...

2009-06-19T22:02:28.102-04:00

"When a fetus is birthed three or four months early, s/he becomes a child."

And you have science to support this? What of the child forced out to be put to death? Was that only potential life, or did it require its mother's sanction?

Your position, by your own admission, begs this question.

When a fetus is birthed three or four months early...

2009-06-19T21:32:57.201-04:00

When a fetus is birthed three or four months early, s/he becomes a child.

Very well. Define "potential" as opposed to "actua...

2009-06-19T21:13:31.711-04:00

Very well. Define "potential" as opposed to "actual." Consider in your answer that a child can be born three to four months prematurely. Is the child more human because of this? Would the child be any less human had it stayed in the womb? If the child is forced out of the womb and has its skull crushed by a surgeon's instrument, is that not murder because the mother sanctioned it?

An unborn fetus represents a potential child; s/he...

2009-06-19T20:31:59.616-04:00

An unborn fetus represents a potential child; s/he doesn't cross the threshold into life until permitted by the prospective mother.

I find it curious when people accuse pro-lifers of...

2009-06-19T18:46:12.523-04:00

I find it curious when people accuse pro-lifers of not caring for the child once it is born. In particular, I wonder where they get their proof. I'm inclined to believe they don't have any. In fact, just making the accusation here, with nary a shred of evidence, appears to be enough for them, which would make THEM the hypocrites.

An unborn child is a human life. It has never been demonstrated to be anything else. To end its life, is to end a human life. That such a life is innocent is what makes it murder. Whatever is or is not done about the issue, we start with that which is irrefutable, and move on from there.

After all, it doesn't matter how concerned you are over a child's life, once he no longer has one.

My wife and I adopted an orphan baby girl from Chi...

2009-06-19T17:32:20.556-04:00

My wife and I adopted an orphan baby girl from China and since that time I have been confronted with a situational paradox with a large number of Christians.

It goes without saying that the good church folk I have been around are almost entirely "pro-life". In that they will get all teary eyed over the idea of fetuses in the womb being killed. This is all well and good and like MadMike said I personally find the idea of abortion to be evil but what troubles me with the behavior of anti-abortionists is that with a few exceptions this pro-life concern with the care and welfare of babies immediately ends once they are born.

If a "rescued" child happens to be poor and/or a minority what was once a concern about life now is an irritation, at best, over how much it will take to help feed, educate, and provide health care of that child.
Even someone as pro-life as Mike Huckabee has stated that: To Huckabee’s credit, his pro-life stance, one major component of social conservatism, is all-embracing. He prefers to see “pro-life” within the context of one’s entire life span, not simply from conception to birth. Thus, his pro-life stance includes, in his words, “quality education, first-rate healthcare, decent housing in a safe neighborhood, and clean air and drinking water.”

So my point is this, get more of your side to start caring about kids beyond the womb and I'll start see you all less as hypocrites. Because its real funny to show my beautiful daughter off to some good Christian and have that person look at me strangely and ask why my wife what prevents my wife and I from having one of our own.

Ah.... a glimmer of light!

2009-06-19T12:22:36.140-04:00

Ah.... a glimmer of light!

The reality: When abortions become illegal, or whe...

2009-06-19T12:05:11.682-04:00

The reality: When abortions become illegal, or when medical practitioners refuse to perform the procedure, it will go to the back alley butchers and thousands of women will die of infections, massive bleeding and other conditions too horrible to describe.

The idea that a tiny cell, as yet unformed, is a viable human life is nonsense. It is born out of a perverse religious belief that defines human life not based on science but on religious mythology.

From a personal standpoint I find abortion to be evil, but, sadly a necessary evil in a world that is becoming more theocratic each day, whether it be the Muslims, or the Christians. A woman should have the right to make the choice, within the boundaries of the law, as to whether or not to keep the cluster of cells growing in her body or whether or not to terminate the growing process. Keep God and the attendant mythologies that surround him out of government and personal choice.

It's amazing that you actually believe only religi...

2009-06-19T10:19:01.163-04:00

It's amazing that you actually believe only religious kooks are pro-life. There are MANY people who are not in any way religious that still believe that abortion is murder. And through simple science you can prove it. Fetus's grow and take in nourishment and produce waste. That alone proves there is life. You can try to argue that they aren't a PERSON yet, though it's a stupid argument, but you can't argue they're not alive. It is living tissue, that can't be disputed, science has proven it.