Gimme Your Picks For Pope And Why

I have spent the weekend trying to figure out about which names echoing out at St. Peter's would make me happy (like I was in 2005) and which would worry me. In 2005, I had a clear favorite and he became Pope. This time around, things are much murkier. The names that would make me most happy, like Burke, seem like long shots.

So I thought I would turn to you. Which Cardinals do you like for Pope and why? What are their chances? Which candidates are you most worried about and why? And What are their chances?

I am truly interested. I will copy some of the more interesting and well thought out commentary into the body of this post.

So let's hear it!

Update

It seems the consensus here would like to hear this:

Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum:
Habemus Papam!
Eminentissimum ac reverendissimum Dominum,
Dominum Reimundus Sanctæ Romanæ Ecclesiæ Cardinalem Burke,
Qui sibi nomen imposuit Pius XIII.

*subhead*So let's hear it!*subhead*

Comments

  1. I wouldn't count Cardinal Burke out just yet. The Holy Spirit is known to work miracles!

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  2. Burke, for all the obvious reasons, but also 1 not so saintly reason as well, to see the huge case of apoplexy it would give the pro-abort, pro-gay-marriage, pro-women's ordination gang as well as the main stream media.

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  3. James Cardinal Stafford: resisted the Bernardin machine in the US; turned around the Vatican's financial offices (no small feat that proves his ability to work the Curia); accurate criticism of Obama all the way back to 2008; a good and holy man.

    Chances: about one in a million. He's 80 and not an elector, he's American, and despite the bold move of electing Karol Wojtyla, I doubt the college will want to poke the US government in the eye.

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  4. Burke for the reasons Taylor Marshall listed and because he has kept his mouth shut since the sede vacante period started. I think that the US media conferences were actually good, but in light of the Italian leaks, his decision seems to be the better one.
    Hey, the media picks are almost always wrong, and this has been true since Sarto was elected as Pius X. Burke is papabile to Italians, which says a lot, in my view. He ran a diocese caught between those striving for holiness and troublemakers incredibly well, and he has also been in the Curia on two occasions. He knows 4 languages, plus has a command of Latin.

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  5. Burke, straight talk defending the Church from the modernists that reside in place like Natoinal Catholic Reporter or in a bus (nuns on th bus).

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  6. I've begun to hope so much for Burke I almost expect to see him on the loggia.

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  7. I adopted Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke so I try and include him in daily prayer and he would be an EXCELLENT Pontiff. NOW apologies to all NYers here but nothing good comes from NY except Timothy Cardinal Dolan :-) and he is my original choice. (I know Pontiff picking now comes complete with trash talking)

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  8. First choice: Burke, he's the only one that would make me leap for joy as I did when Benedict was elected. After him Canizares Llovera, Scola, Ouellette all look at least reasonably good. Definitely don't want Schonborn, no matter how impressed Raymond Arroyo is with him. I don't want any of the other Americans, especially not O'Malley (the Kennedy funeral demonstrated his willingness to play the same politically correct game as Law and Cushing before him) or Wuerhl. Other than Scola or Ouellete, I seem to be mostly interested in people whom everyone seems to deem long shots.

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  9. For obvious reasons, Burke. Also I'd love to see the legions of heterodox catholics and the media go absolutely batty and totally flip out. It would be a huge payback for the past 40+ years.

    After Burke, there is Oulette, Llovera and Bagnusco. I think they have a shot. I wouldn't mind Pell although I think he'd be a long shot.

    In my heart of hearts I'd say make Bishop Bruskewitz a cardinal and then elect him.

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  10. Anyone who would be a.good poke in the eye to the Obama administration. I feel like I was given so much joy the last time that I shouldn't be picky.

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  11. 1. Benedict XVI
    .....................
    2. Raymond Card. Burke (The John Wayne solution)
    3. Mauro Card. Piacenza (I adopted him, decided to adopt another, and got him again! He is very holy)

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  12. Burke, than Ranjith! NO DOLAN OR SCHONBORN!

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  13. I'll go with Benedict xvi as my top and only pick.

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  14. In today's OT reading (cycle A), the Spirit chose the youngest of Jesse's sons. If the Spirit should be nudging the electors in the direction of a youngster, I hope the choice falls on Cardinal Erdo, rather than Cardinals Tagle or Dolan. Among the Italians, my choice would be either Scola or Bagnasco, with perhaps a slight edge to Bagnasco. Among the curial Cardinals, Burke of course. Among the Latin Americans, Cardinal Cipriani Thorne, rather than Scherer. Among the North Americans, Cardinal Ouellet rather than O'Malley. Among the Africans, Cardinal Napier rather than Turkson. Among the non-Italian Europeans, Cardinal Erdo again. Ranked in order of preference, then, Cardinal Erdo first, followed by Ouellet, Bagnasco, Scola and Cipriani Thorne.

    Since I don't have extensive knowledge on any of the men, I am basing my choice on what I have learned from reading such curricula vitae of theirs as have been published by Catholic writers about whom I have enough knowledge to make adjustments for personal bias.

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  15. I'm with the rest of the crowd and would like to see Burke. I am not thrilled about the idea of Dolan, though I do think he is a good guy, just not pope material. Ranjith also appears to be a solid choice, though I know less about him.

    Unfortunately, I don't think Burke has a shot, not even a long shot. I doubt half of the US Cardinals would even vote for him, particularly Wuerhl considering their past.

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  16. Burke or Bagnasco.

    Cuz the church needs a good kick in the a**.

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  17. Tagle the Filipino. Cheerful and holy and not American or Italian. He's got the languages and he's smart and solid.

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  18. Burke. Who else is better to stop the culture of death than an American, who is from the primary exporter of that culture? He also has enough Rome experience to be comfortable there working with the curia.

    Not to mention he's a ROCK, liturgically speaking.

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  19. Burke. Who else is better to stop the culture of death than an American, who is from the primary exporter of that culture? He also has enough Rome experience to be comfortable there working with the curia.

    Not to mention he's a ROCK, liturgically speaking.

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  20. I do love Cardinal Burke and would be thrilled to have him, but I actually think Ranjith would be a better choice. He's my #1!

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  21. I think Turkson will win, not because I want him to win but because I think he will fulfill the prophecy of "Petrus Romanus." I know some of you might think that prophecy is bunkum but it's been awfully accurate, to say the least....

    Turkson's paper on centralizing international banking authority (which Pope Emeritus Benedict favors, btw) could make him a front-runner, especially since this batch of cardinals loves to tell others how to behave without holding themselves to their own standards.

    Burke will not win. No really strong personality will win. The Catholic Church might need a kick in its biological seat cushion but that's something the conclave won't vote for. The Curia loves its power and the cardinals love their privilege. They'll vote for somebody who will maintain both. Turkson is enough of a "party man," as it were, to do just that.

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  22. Either Burke or Ranjith would be very exciting, though I think Oulette and Scola have the early advantage.

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  23. Joseph, it is awfully accurate until the Reformation-era, because that is when it first appeared, and it would make sense that the traits match those known about prior popes. After its 'discovery,' it is hit-and-miss. I think Turkson will be avoided, precisely to avoid picking a Pope named Peter, and to rid the Church of those false prophesies once and for all.

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  24. Any accuracy the Malachy prophecy has is indistinguishable from the accuracy Nostradamus has—"Oh in hindsight plainly this random gobbledigook meant that." In the words of a character from a freaking D&D tie-in novel, "I could litter this road with omens by hindsight."

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  25. What Liz said:

    Burke, then Canizares Llovera, Scola, Ouellette (although if it's going to be a North American other than Burke, I'm perhaps starting to like Dolan a little more than Ouelette ... but with some reservations).

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  26. To say who will win is a toughie. . . frontrunners are probably Scola, Erdo, Oullet, (maybe) Tagle, (maybe) Turkson.

    Who I want to hear from the balcony is easy: Timotheum Cardinalum Dolan!

    The New Evangelization needs him. All the cardinals in Rome are still buzzing over his talk there last year on the subject. He is the personification of Christian joy. He knows how to go about forming priests. He's got the best stage presence since JPII. (Plus, he's my own bishop, and I have a personally signed letter from him that's going to go up enormously in value if he wins).

    But if it's going to be anyone from North America, I think it will probably be Oullet. Who wouldn't be a bad choice.

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  27. To say who will win is a toughie. . . frontrunners are probably Scola, Erdo, Oullet, (maybe) Tagle, (maybe) Turkson.

    Who I want to hear from the balcony is easy: Timotheum Cardinalum Dolan!

    The New Evangelization needs him. All the cardinals in Rome are still buzzing over his talk there last year on the subject. He is the personification of Christian joy. He knows how to go about forming priests. He's got the best stage presence since JPII. (Plus, he's my own bishop, and I have a personally signed letter from him that's going to go up enormously in value if he wins).

    But if it's going to be anyone from North America, I think it will probably be Oullet. Who wouldn't be a bad choice.

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    1. Rambunctiousness, not Christian joy, is what sadly comes to my mind when I see Cardinal Dolan. Not conducive to holiness.

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  28. I go with Raymond Cardinal Burke formerly of St.Louis most recently from the Apostolic Signatura, and Malcolm Cardinal Rangith of Columbo. I believe they have the most traditional street cred, and are least likely to flee from the wolves as it were.
    Continued St. Jude Novena

    fxr2

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  29. I go with Raymond Cardinal Burke formerly of St.Louis most recently from the Apostolic Signatura, and Malcolm Cardinal Rangith of Columbo. I believe they have the most traditional street cred, and are least likely to flee from the wolves as it were.
    Continued St. Jude Novena

    fxr2

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  30. I would be thrilled if Cardinal Burke was selected. I knew him from his days in St. Louis. He is excellent all around - scholarly, shrewd, courageous, personal humility, with pastoral care and concern for individuals. He took time out of his busy schedule to meet with seminarians at Kenrick for 30 minute walks to chat one on one. These walks were so popular that seminarians signed up for them months in advance. He can take unwarranted criticism from the liberal press, which is another plus.

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  31. Lori, with all due respect, I hope that Dolan is not elected. Just from a superficial glance of the man and what he's said and done, he doesn't seem to have the intellectual or emotional heft for the job. He would be overwhelmed very quickly.

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  32. Joseph, what has he said or done to leave that impression?

    Lynda, I'm sorry to hear you feel that. I guess you don't like saints like Don Bosco or Philip Neri (who was not just rambunctious, but a real oddball) either.

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    1. On the contrary, I love a feisty saint. Cardinal Dolan is not one. He is not fierce in fighting evil but rather tries to be popular with the political and Media elite. And he is not sufficiently humble and reverent while offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. He is a performer; he makes things about himself, not God.

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  33. Scola or Scherer.

    Pope Gregory.

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  34. Malcom Ranjith solves all the "problems" he's from the 3rd world, he's dynamic and a good public speaker AND the MSM will have an absolute hissy fit! What's not to like?

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  35. I don't have it in front of me but a recent analysis said the "progressives" (not among Cardinals, but among priests and laity of the chattering classes) are behind Scherer. Anyone know why?

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  36. On Scherer, from Sandro Magister's "Chiesa" blog:

    On the opposite side, however, the magnates of the curia are closing ranks and counterattacking. They are not pushing forward one of their own, knowing that in this way the game would be lost from the start. They are sniffing the wind that blows in the college of cardinals and are themselves pointing far from Rome, across the Atlantic, not to the north but to the south of America.

    They are looking to São Paulo, Brazil, where there is a cardinal born from German immigrants, Odilo Pedro Scherer, 64, who is well known in the curia, who was in Rome in the service of Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re when he was prefect of the congregation for bishops, and who today is part of the cardinalate council of supervision over the IOR, the Vatican “bank,” reconfirmed a few days ago with Bertone as its president.

    Scherer is the perfect candidate for this maneuver, completely Roman and curial. It doesn't matter that he is not popular in Brazil, not even among the bishops, who when called to elect the president of their conference two years ago rejected him without appeal. Nor that he does not shine as archbishop of the great São Paulo, the economic capital of the country.

    The important thing for the curial magnates is that he is docile and bland. The progressive halo that envelops his candidacy is of purely geographic derivation, but it too serves to ignite in some naïve cardinals the boast of electing the “first Latin American pope.”

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  37. Burke would be a good Pope, I think, and our best bet to see one of these again:
    http://www.sanctamissa.org/en/resources/articles/papal-mass.jpg

    But my first choice would be Crd. Arinze, and I think he has a decent shot. First, with so many new cardinals who weren’t expecting a conclave so soon, electing someone Arinze's age might be a way to give them a few more years to think it over. Arize is also the perfect mix: extremely charismatic and a good communicator, and he’s also a Curial veteran. Add to that the fact that he is doctrinally and liturgically sound and very much in line with Benedict’s vision. And, of course, the boost to the Church in Africa would certainly be significant.

    I know the Italian thing seems like a long-shot, but I would like Crd. Magnasco as well. Solidly orthodox, and a rare example of Italian compromise. He’s a Curial outsider with a mind towards reforming it.

    I would also like Ouellet. And Dolan, but presuming he stays healthy he will likely have a few more conclaves in his tenure.

    I am worried about Turkson, due to his involvement in that horrible economic document on banking and the economy. I know the pope isn’t the treasury secretary, but there’s a certain element within the Church that would run a bit far the left under a Turkson papacy, I fear.

    I also would be quite nervous about Crd. Schonborn. I think he is orthodox personally, but some very bizarre things have taken place in his diocese, and if he can’t (or worse, won’t) reign them in, what would await the Church? I’m afraid all of Benedict’s liturgical work would be undone.

    In any event, no matter who the pope is, I feel like he might be a Gregory this go around.

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  38. Cardinal Burke for Pope. Because you never have to worry that he will teach the faith clearly and correctly. He is a man of prayer and doesn't care if the New York Times or ABC or CBD or MSNBC etc like him. Unlike Dolan (the typical "ugly American"and Wuerl "the politician"and O'Malley "the climber", he is truly fearless in the face of evil and doesn't care if he is thought of as "open". He is truly a reformer that the Church needs ASAP.

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  39. This might seem really way out there, but I think the new Pope will be someone completely hidden and a complete surprise. And what would be more surprising than an Eastern rite Pope? I'm thinking this because of the great need to heal the schism, the 1000th anniversary of which will be here in 2054, a mere 41 years away.
    I think it will be Patriarch Bechara Boutros (Peter) al-rahi of the Maronite rite.

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  40. My candidate is Sviatoslav Shevchuk, Patriarch of the Ukranian Greek Catholic Church. He's 42 and not even a Cardinal yet, but there's something different about his guy. And wouldn't it be neat to have one pope for the next fifty or sixty years?

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  41. American Pope? Probably not going to happen. America is too much hated internationally to permit such a thing. Shall the Church draw the ire and violence that American politics and nationalism inspires on itself and consequently, all its members internationally? I love being American but lets be realistic!

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  42. Cardinal O'Malley.
    1.)My understanding is that he is simply a very holy man.
    2.)I find it refreshing that he goes under the blogosphere radar.
    3) Anyone that can turn around the "ground zero" diocese of Boston must be pretty special.
    4.)He would be very capable of reaching out to the latino community.
    5.) As Cardinal he was assigned the titular church of Santa Maria della Vittorio, home to the famous "Ecstasy of Saint Teresa", by Bernini. That is very cool.

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    1. Please, no. Boston Mass attendance is down to 16% and nearly half the parishes are in the red.

      "Cardinal Seán" (gotta include that accent mark) is a relatively passive and aloof figure presiding over, but not governing, the expensive diocesan curia. Probably some curial cardinals would like that!

      And during the big round of parish closings and mergers, he wrote that he sometimes wanted God to take him home. Do we want a Pope with a tendency to depression?

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  43. Burke! (Though I'd love to see the UGCC Patriarch elected, if that was possible; maybe he'd finally get rid of the last bits of forced-Latinization still hanging around after VII.)

    Any other American Pope would sorely tempt me to join the sedes or Eastern Orthodox >_>

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  44. Cardinal Burke is a great inspirer and example. He is obviously holy and one of very few Bishops to regularly offer Mass in the traditional, ancient, unadulterated form. His book on the Eucharist - Divine Love Made Flesh - ought to be read by every serious Catholic or catechumen.

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  45. Cardinal Raymond Burke would be awesome. He seems like he would be a strong, no-nonsense typ of pope.

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  46. I'm nowhere near the first to say this, and I think he is a long shot, but I would love to see Raymond Cardinal Burke elected as pope.

    Of the cardinals who have been discussed as leading contenders, I have reservations about Turkson, Sandri, Scherer, Dolan, O'Malley, Schoenborn, and Tagle. I think that Ouellet or Scola might be good, or even great, but I don't know enough about them to be sure. Ravasi sounds interesting, but I don't know a lot about him either.

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  47. Ever since Papa Ben announced his resignation I upped my daily Rosary to include all 20 mysteries, offering the extra flaring of my sciatic up to GOD in the fervent hope that the next Pope he gifts us with will continue to lead the Church out of present darkness. I'm always careful to acknowledge in my prayers that the choice is GOD's and GOD's alone, but I know he hears the Burke! Burke!! BURKE!!! behind each beat of my heart!

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  48. I wonder how many people who like/dislike Card. Dolan listen to him on The Catholic Channel, and how that changes their opinion of him? I ask b/c I think that if I did not listen to him weekly on XM, maybe I would have a different opinion of him. I don't think it's that he has a strong will to be liked, or that he just wants to appease everyone. I think he has a genuine love for all people, and desperately wants them to have the same experience of Christ that he does, but wants them to come to it gladly. Also, I heard somewhere that when he was in Rome with the college, he specifically told the American seminarians that they need to be the face of a joyful church, because many of the Italians were so dour. That was part of their instructions as seminarians to be the face of a joyful Christ in the public eye. What better evangelization is it to see a person so full of joy for their faith? I don't know, part of me really wants either him or Burke, but I know that whomever God has planned will be what we need.

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  49. I have two preferences: Ranjith -no comment necessary- and Bagnasco -disciple of Siri and master of the wasp net that is the Italian Bishop's Conference- I wish I knew more of the congolese Cardinal (seems to have something special in him).
    I wish for a very global position for Dolan. The more I read of him, the more i like his style. He hasn't the stuff for a Pope, but for the Great Missionary to the West.
    Burke as State Secretary ??

    BTW. Cañizares (Llovera) is too small -not only physically. ; and worse, too close to the NeoCathecumenals

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  50. "On the contrary, I love a feisty saint. Cardinal Dolan is not one. He is not fierce in fighting evil but rather tries to be popular with the political and Media elite. And he is not sufficiently humble and reverent while offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. He is a performer; he makes things about himself, not God."

    I don't seem in him even a trace of those things you are talking about. Dolan has held the line (and holds the other U.S. Bishops to the line) on the HHS mandate. He does not back down one iota on principles.

    Yes, he is popular with the press - and how does he use his popularity? The other week in Rome, he celebrated Mass for and with journalists in the grottoes of St. Peter's basilica, a truly extraordinary move. He used his homily to tell them what the Church is about and what kind of "change" she needs - the interior change of personal conversion. He's become friends with unchurched journalists like Matt Lauer - who has said that Dolan led him to consider spiritual things in a new light. He is using his popularity with the media in an extraordinary way. Not for his own popularity. I am praying for a Pope who can communicate with the media like Dolan does.

    As for his reverence at Mass, I think he is fine. To each his own.

    I honestly don't think he'll be elected, at least not this time. But the Church definitely needs him and more like him.

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  51. Lori, a lot of it has to do with inviting Obama to the Al Smith Dinner (despite the fact that both of Dolan's predecesor refused to invite candidates who supported legalized abortion), his handling of sex predators in Milwaukee and his defense of the Catholic Church during the sex-abuse crisis (I remember him saying during Holy Week last year that, while the Church deserves criticism, it wasn't the only organization implicated in such abuse. While that's technically true, that's exactly the wrong tack for a church claiming to have "the fullness of the Gospel" to take.).

    I don't think Dolan fully realized just how morally compromised the clerical sex-abuse crisis made the Catholic Church. Frankly, I don't think the vast majority of cardinals worldwide realize that, either.

    As far as "teaching the faith" goes, two points:

    1. Isn't that one of the things that supposedly made John Paul II "Great"?

    2. I'm sick and tired of talk, talk, talk. I want somebody who lives out the faith in daily life! Is that too much to ask for a cardinal, let alone a pope?

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  52. Well, this gave me a headache reading it, especially some of the more self righteous prose. That said...who do I want for pope? Whomever Christ does...His motives I trust.

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  53. Fr David Byers of Holy Souls Hermitage blog has a great piece on why we should pray and sacrifice for a good Pope. Edifying. He also has another one where he hopes it'll be Cardinal Burke.

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  54. My gut says it will be Turkson, but I'd really like it to be Dolan.

    Another part of my gut says they will play safe and go for Scola.

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  55. Joseph, Cardinal Egan, Dolan's predecessor, did invite both candidates in 2008.

    And I suppose Dolan did have a bad record in regard to sex abuse cases - if SNAP press releases are your Bible, that is. Have they been able to find anything incriminating against him other than they didn't like his tone?

    Dolan has apologized on behalf of the Church and said many times that the Church invites full scrutiny. He was right to defend Pope Benedict's innocence and to point out the widespread nature of the abuse throughout society. We should never be afraid to point out the truth, however inconvenient it is to some pressure group or other. How many actual victims felt hurt or slighted by anything he said, and how much was just SNAP? (a deeply suspect operation, who masks an anti-Church agenda under the pretense of caring for victims, while making greedy lawyers rich. Many victims themselves are starting to realize this).

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  56. As long as he is orthodox...and from Wisconsin.

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